Is there a way to fix savage?

[TomsYoungerBro]

If savage had personalized loot instead of group loot this issue would be solved. It's been done by many other MMOs and It's just better imo. SE just doesn't care about the raiding community very much. Any update it gets seem like scraps when they could do so much more to help foster the community. People have been suggesting the very things you are for years, since ARR even.

Maybe, but sadly i think the issue requires a complete rework IMO. That is because Savage content feels like the only battle content with a system that is built for players with multiple characters that specialize in 1 class each in mind, while this game mainly accomodates to doing everything on 1 character.

This is to prevent certain fights to die off. Look at P3 and P7 in the last two tiers. Neither would have seen almost any parties because the loot wasn't as valued, especially in the latter months when Twines weren't as big a deal. By forcing you to progress through each one, they're artificially keeping all four active. With that said, they still allow you to skip ahead should you join someone else's party. You just sacrifice your page for the week in doing so.

Well P11 is different since now you can get the chest piece, which I would assume is a bigger draw than another head/boot/glove piece . Even if that doesn't fix it, this still sounds more like a flaw with loot distribution than a necessity to limit players from re-clearing the content in any order.

At the end of the day, both systems are in place to force longevity in the same way tomes do. If every QoL idea people have asked for were implemented, you could be finished gearing a whole character in less than a month, skip all the fights you don't need/want, limit how many people you have to roll against and then have zero reason to go back. Not exactly a good system for SE when this content is intended to last for months.

I completely agree here. That is why I believe the system itself would need an entire re-work (which probably won't happen). If you think about it, the current system lets you gear 1 job in a very reasonable amount of time, but many people still complain about gearing as a whole. The recent changes still won't be enough, and 7.0 will add additional jobs to the mix. Savage is built with many characters -> 1 job instead of 1 character -> many jobs.

And theoretically, if you and 7 other people were insane enough to do it, you could technically "gear" an entire job to max ilvl week 1. You wouldn't be able to get all the tome pieces you wanted for BiS though. With the recent change to the drop system, if you were insane enough to do splits with 7 alt accounts in a static, you can now get every piece of gear/accessory guaranteed. You could then use your tomes pre-savage to buy a ring and upgrade with the coating from turn 2, and you can also grab a head/boot/gloves from tomes (if Bis) and upgrade with twine from turn 3 to replace one of the savage pieces. Boom, you have max ilvl week 1 XD. While a case of "this probably will never happen", the system already allows for you to gear insanely quick with the correct methods.

[Ivtrix]

Pf had and always will be a chaotic mess

It is what it is. Nothing should ever be designed with pf in mind

[DrWho2010]

it all boils down to

players: I want stuff now, faster, now!
devs: No.
players: weh! (run to complain publicly)

[caffe_macchiato]

it all boils down to

players: I want stuff now, faster, now!
devs: No.
players: weh! (run to complain publicly)

Yep, this.

The devs made savage so that it lasts the entire eight months. So it should take you around eight months to clear. Not one week, not one month. Eight. Whole. Months. FFXIV is a game for everyone, not an elitist toxic/racist/sexist hellscape like WoW. You don’t have to rush. So what if it takes you a long time to clear it in party finder? That’s great! That means more time you have to play your favorite game. As long as you don’t rush anything, you’ll always have something to do. In fact, I still haven’t even cleared P9S yet. So what? I’m busy playing other games too. Surely FFXIV isn’t your only game, right? Besides, there’s so many things to do in this game, it’s impossible to just focus on savage. Take your time as the developers intended.

Don’t like it? Go back to WoW where they have zero content and the devs deleted half the game. Be fortunate that you’re playing the world’s most popular and most critically-acclaimed MMO. We’re so lucky to have Yoshida and the crew work tirelessly to give us such an amazing game. If I could tip the developers with my subscription, I would.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Yep, this.

The devs made savage so that it lasts the entire eight months. So it should take you around eight months to clear. Not one week, not one month. Eight. Whole. Months. FFXIV is a game for everyone, not an elitist toxic/racist/sexist hellscape like WoW. You don’t have to rush. So what if it takes you a long time to clear it in party finder? That’s great! That means more time you have to play your favorite game. As long as you don’t rush anything, you’ll always have something to do. In fact, I still haven’t even cleared P9S yet. So what? I’m busy playing other games too. Surely FFXIV isn’t your only game, right? Besides, there’s so many things to do in this game, it’s impossible to just focus on savage. Take your time as the developers intended.

Don’t like it? Go back to WoW where they have zero content and the devs deleted half the game. Be fortunate that you’re playing the world’s most popular and most critically-acclaimed MMO. We’re so lucky to have Yoshida and the crew work tirelessly to give us such an amazing game. If I could tip the developers with my subscription, I would.

While I agree that the way the savage raid tier is designed is due to those factors which makes sense considering how FFXIV lacks any other hard content and doesnt strive to cater to the hardcore raiders in MMOs. I feel its just a tad disingenous to say that WoW lacks content. Sure, due to its long history a lot of the world and previous expansions are made irrelevant because of them sticking to the current stuff 90% of the time, but they still do at least have timewalking dungeons and raids that cycle frequently for players to acquire relevant ilv gear and items for grinding old reps and cosmetics (which is a helpful idea). And while WoW severly lacks casual content, it makes up for it with a lot of open world activities that players can do. So I wouldnt necessarily say that FFXIV is better than WoW in this regard.

But as somebody who has played Dragonflight and currently on a hiatus, yeah no amount of content is going to keep somebody retained for so long, especially the casuals. People here thinking that FFXIV needs more retention content really need to get over the fact that this can never happen without sacrificing meaningful fun factor. Look at WoW being the prime example of having what FFXIV lacks and you think people over there are happy? Yeah if you look at the community, they're no better off than we are in terms of retention.

Its time to get over that "grass is always greener" mentality. I for one have. You play a game until it stops being fun and when that happens who cares, just move on to something else. Why continue to demand games to keep you tied down to it? This is terrible design.

[Saraide]

I feel its just a tad disingenous to say that WoW lacks content.

You are responding to a parody account, of course it's going to be disingenous.

[GaiusDrakon]

It's an MMO and they want everyone to play solo and use df/rf

That's exactly why the game can be so crap lmao

They're catering to Japanese 2ch NEETs who don't dare to say a single word to a human stranger even in a video game. Like why TF are we catering to these extreme introverts. I honestly wish introverts just disappeared from earth

[Atelier-Bagur]

You are responding to a parody account, of course it's going to be disingenous.

Yeah I know. I just still wanted to amuse the thought

[drtasteyummy]

Just do the content on normal that's about the skill level and time invest that is fitting for you, no prog needed, no time invest needed and you can do it anytime even after weeks!

[KageTokage]

The initial pressure to get a clear of savage before everything is duty complete gated is one of the biggest stresses I have when it comes to XIV in general.

They really should offer stronger incentives to help people with first clears.