What's with Paladin?

[Oizen]

Isn't DRK the posterchild for button bloat though?

I mean I like it, and I like vomitting out all of my oGCDs it makes me feel cool, but I'm not going to act like our mitigation plans aren't really obtuse compared to other tanks which basically just hit their Short Mit + 20/30%.
Compared to us where we're regularly hitting TBN + Oblation + Dark Mind + 20/30%

[Jeeqbit]

It seems to have an insane amount of Button bloat (especially for AoE) compared to the other Tanks and has multiple abilities that pretty much do the same thing and has multiple things it needs to fill up for their abilities. Like their defensives being mostly the same thing. Wouldn't it make more sense to consolidate them and reduce the cooldown? It wasn't a fun experience. Went right back to Dark Knight and Warrior.

What are you talking about? It's not much different to any other tank. Paladin has a lot of defensives but so does Dark Knight.

The defensives used to do different things, but those different things were useless (increase block rate that only worked on physical attacks, increase parry which only worked on physical attacks, buff the physical defense). SE removed all that stuff and made it raw % mitigation against magical and physical attacks. They might be the same but you need them all in some content, such as large pulls in dungeons or certain raids with a lot of tankbusters that want double mit.

Its rotation is now using the Gunbreaker model (I literally setup my hotbar for it to be the same as Gunbreaker). Aoe buttons aren't really much different to Gunbreaker either. Holy Circle/Fated Circle, Confiteor/Double Down, Total Eclipse/Demon Slice, Prominence/Demon Slaughter, Circle of Scorn/Bow Shock.

Only difference is Gunbreaker's Blasting Zone isn't aoe like Expiacion (see you in 7.0), and Double Down doesn't have a whole combo associated with it, but their single target Gnashing Fang does.

[ForteNightshade]

The only real "button bloat" you could argue on Paladin is Holy Spirit/Circle but that applies to every job due to SE's obsession with a single target and aoe equivalent on separate buttons. Otherwise, Circle of Scorn is... maybe a bit "bloaty"

Now if you wanted to say Paladin has some boring buttons, I'd be more inclined to agree. Goring Blade definitely feels lazy and Cover is in desperate need of a rework. Otherwise, it's more or less in line with the other tanks.

[Bsrking5]

Is cover even worth it anymore?

[Windfire]

I've used it to save melee in Dzmael Darkhold on the last boss, so situational I guess?

[MsMisato]

Is cover even worth it anymore?

its situational thing, good if your healer needs to raise other healers in an alliance to prevent a wipe since you take the interrupt or dmg.

[Jeeqbit]

Cover has always been niche and situational, but I have definitely seen people use it in clever ways. Ultimately, if someone is about to die and you use cover on them before an aoe hits you can save them.

It could also be used to avoid needing a tankswap in some cases, by allowing you to take all the status effects and damage that the main tank would otherwise take, depending on how the cast works. It's also useful if for some reason you lose the attention of the boss or provoke is on cooldown. You can cover whoever the boss has as a target. If you die and rez and someone else is second in the enmity list, you could cover them to still take the tank buster or other mechanic.

[Oizen]

Think its also notable for DRK is that Blood Weapon and Delirium are never used apart, and ultimately just give you another button to press.

Not sure If I'd want them rolled into one skill or make one more unique from the other.

[Absurdity]

Think its also notable for DRK is that Blood Weapon and Delirium are never used apart, and ultimately just give you another button to press.

Not sure If I'd want them rolled into one skill or make one more unique from the other.

Considering that they currently are used apart, at least in your opener and your 1-minute window, I would not want them to be a single button. Could this be fixed? Probably, but with how the job currently plays it would be an awful change.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

PLD is just 1-2-3 and you get 1 stack Divine Might which you use for Holy Spirit and 3 stacks of Atonement. Then you have burst phase with FoF that you always use with Req, when you have Req, you just use your Faith combo. You use Goring in burst, use Intervene, Scorn and Explacion on CD, then you also want to drop 1-2 Atonement to properly realign. That's everything regarding rotation. It's like 2-3 steps away from just spamming 1-2-3, it's really simple if you spend 5-10 minutes reading tooltips/checking opener.

This simple imagine explains like 90% of PLD.

Dark Knight is feels more straight forward than that.

That sounds like a real pain compared to Warrior and Dark Knight while lacking flexibility.

Don't insult my intelligence. I didn't attack you, so why are you attacking me? Now I'm less inclined to believe anything you said.