Bring back Emet-Selch

[shadowclasper]

That's an interesting thing. Emet and Hythlodaeus should both logically have memories of Elpis permanently burned into their souls. Similar to how Hermes had dreams of Elpis as Amon, but possibly worse since they weren't sundered like he was and wouldn't have already reincarnated a bunch of times.

and don't forget that Hermes' fragments are all flitting around in their reflections, including, presumably, the first. Assuming of course he didn't get hit by the wave of light and turned into a sin eater obviously.

Strong memories get burned into your soul. The events of Elpis shattered Hermes's view of the world. I doubt it had that effect on the other two.

Nah, they're going to have the memories from those few days scorched into them, they won't be as world shatteringly BAD for their ability to cope with reality but they're gonna have an impact.

[Alleluia]

This conversation is reminding me of one reason we do need Emet back. Or at least to have a story involving looking in to his time as Solas or something. I wanna find out what he "found a way" to do to Zenos that resulted in him having dreams of the Final Days.

[thegreatonemal]

No, iirc Hermes (Amon) post-defeat in the Aitiascope in the cutscene before Asahi drags him into superhell said Kairos was what caused that to happen to him. It imprints the memories on your soul in the process of wiping them.

Cutscene #1, "Her Children, One and All":





He used the same process to remove Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus' memories.

Yes, the act of trying to get rid of those already strong memories, only succeeded in burning them more deeply into him. He says it right there in your screen shot. Strong memories stick with the soul. Hermes trying to erase those strong memories just made them stick more is what I was saying.

[SilversLyu]

This conversation is reminding me of one reason we do need Emet back. Or at least to have a story involving looking in to his time as Solas or something. I wanna find out what he "found a way" to do to Zenos that resulted in him having dreams of the Final Days.

There is still the matter of the allag cloning technology, that they just vaguely glanced over back in Stormblood. Imagine some remaining Ascian going inside such a clone and playing games with us. That is the stuff of nightmares.

[Iscah]

Yes, the act of trying to get rid of those already strong memories, only succeeded in burning them more deeply into him. He says it right there in your screen shot. Strong memories stick with the soul. Hermes trying to erase those strong memories just made them stick more is what I was saying.

The quote indicates that Kairos burns memories into a soul, but there is nothing in it to indicate that strong memories are saved regardless. Neither does it indicate that Kairos only does that to memories if they are already strong.

The closest evidence we have of other memories persisting is that characters are prone to being reminded of the Final Days by falling meteors, but even then they seem to describe the experience as triggering something they can almost but not quite remember.

Hermes is the only character (besides this unresolved business with Zenos) ever shown to have had specific and clear memories of a past life, while also being the only Kairos subject to have been reincarnated. There is no indication that he has naturally retained any memories outside of the Kairos-affected period.

[Vyrerus]

There is still the matter of the allag cloning technology, that they just vaguely glanced over back in Stormblood. Imagine some remaining Ascian going inside such a clone and playing games with us. That is the stuff of nightmares.

Gaius destroyed all known cloning facilities, so they'd have to spring a new cloning facility out of the woodwork.

[Alleluia]

Gaius destroyed all known cloning facilities, so they'd have to spring a new cloning facility out of the woodwork.

"known" does leave more than enough wiggle room, though, to be fair.

[thegreatonemal]

The quote indicates that Kairos burns memories into a soul, but there is nothing in it to indicate that strong memories are saved regardless. Neither does it indicate that Kairos only does that to memories if they are already strong.

The closest evidence we have of other memories persisting is that characters are prone to being reminded of the Final Days by falling meteors, but even then they seem to describe the experience as triggering something they can almost but not quite remember.

Hermes is the only character (besides this unresolved business with Zenos) ever shown to have had specific and clear memories of a past life, while also being the only Kairos subject to have been reincarnated. There is no indication that he has naturally retained any memories outside of the Kairos-affected period.

Memories are a strongly tied to the soul as we discovered with bringing the scions back from the First. Kairos was designed to erase memories and outside of Hermes we're not shown anything to indicate that Kairos has that effect. In the same way strong memories can keep a soul from moving on we can probaly say that memories can function in the same way.

Also amon doesn't have clear memories of a past life, aside from the ones that reside in the Fandaniel crystal. Before he got that he does say "Night after night, the faceless multitude. The voiceless cries. Shards of shattered memories. But slowly the fog bangan to clear. This was Elpis and I...I was Hermes." Now that he's dead he was able to fully recall what happened

[Cleretic]

I feel like Emet and Hyth's soul-successors are going to have different kinds of responses to the situation to Amon, just because Hermes' memories were not great. Emet and Hyth's souls are gonna get 'walking around a pretty good paradise, taught a snake to fly, then a bird girl freaked out and said things that didn't really resonate with us', while Amon basically got the memories of a depressed person being told 'life is meaningless and everything dies' by a trusted source.

Those are gonna lead to different responses to those recurring dreams, even putting aside that Amon doesn't exactly seem like he was a bastion of mental health anyway.

EDIT: but all that's academic, because from both what we've seen of how long it takes for a soul to get recycled (chief pieces of evidence being 'Rhitatyn and Haurchefant are still in there' and 'according to Eden it took like eighty years for a soul to be reborn') says that we're not gonna find the souls of any of those three for a WHILE.

[Naoki34]

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Bringing back Emet-Selch? It's just like Zenos to come back by some unlikely Deus Ex Machina through the magic of the scriptarium.

We like Darth Vader, but would it really be worth it to bring him back to life?

Emet-Selch belongs to the arc begun in ARR, and that cycle is now over, a new cycle begins.
What were you doing during Yoshi-P's talk, sleeping?


Emet-Selch left in such a perfect way, and I prefer to keep this good memory of him.
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