Thread: Your Opinion on the Current State of Job Identity/Balance in 6.4?

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

While I roughly agree with this...

Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

we should just return to SB times of content design

...that actually has very little to do with this...

SB WHM was pretty bad. SCH was bad at first but got better after that initial softness. AST's cards were weird after some of the changes, but...functional.

But WHM was not. Struggled the whole expansion, the mechanics didn't even make sense, and especially the early SB iteration of Lilies where you had a CHANCE - not guarantee, CHANCE - to proc them off Cure heals. It was like WORSE Freecure. Or was that Plenary? Because it was horribad initially, too. For all the complaints of Aero 3, I will never understand anyone that says they think SB WHM was better than ShB or EW WHM, because SB WHM was the absolute worst iteration of a Healer Job in this game's entire history. And when little healing was needed, SB WHM was actually more Stonespammy! Bit sad, but ShB WHM should have been introduced in SB. Who knows, maybe they wouldn't have even had to change the overall Healer paradigm had that happened. But here we are.

Originally Posted by Deo14

Damn, that's very generous definition of what is and isn't insult

Not really, it's pretty commonly used. But it's whatever. At this point you're just trying to wage a feud for god only knows what reason, derailing any thread you can to get your way. If you want to act like this, that's up to you, but I'm not going to help you.

Ngl, though, that is a pretty badass picture. Maybe next time I'll wear the Dwarven helmet. Could be pretty cool.

Originally Posted by BaconBits

I will be taking this.

As will I. Not everyday someone who hates you accidentally messes up and makes something badass for you in spite of themselves.

EDIT:

And I guess I'll copy this here for posterity.

You can engage in this feud if you want, but I'm going to try and stay above it. If I respond, it will continue to be in HBs to not detract from ACTUAL discussions going on, and it may be me just posting the same thing over and over. You can either decide to act like a mature person, or you can keep doing...whatever this is, but it's beneath the rest of us.

Oh, but truly:

Thank you for the picture, btw. I love it.

Originally Posted by Deo14

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Oh, you're still going, I see?

As I told you, I'm not interested in helping you derail threads with your personal vendetta against me. You'll have to find someone else. I'll spell this out exactly once for you:

Slidecasting is:

1) When the cast time of an action is less than the GCD, allowing you free movement from before the spell ends until the GCD has completed and you can take another action. You can ARGUE if you want that that's both slidecasting AND free movement in the rest of the GCD (similar to movement after an Instant cast), if you want, but it includes the slidecast as part of that time and the entire window is used for movement. Recall the context of the conversation was about if GCD classes can function in the current movement heavy environment, and I was pointing out how much movement is available even with GCD casts and especially with 1.5 and 2 sec GCD casts of most heals. (Of course, as you say, you don't KNOW the context because you butted into a conversation in-progress to take a side, not bothering to understand what you were wading into and then going on SEVERAL unhinged rants and a now two day crusade against a poster for your own failure of understanding.)

2) ALL SPELLS (whether less than the GCD or greater) have around a 0.5 sec window they can ALSO do this in.

3) Spells with a cast time longer than the GCD typically don't allow much room for movement.
NOTE: One I was mistaken on here, though, is Slipstream, as while it DOES have a lengthy cast time of 3.0 sec, it has a quirk where it extends the recast time to 3.5, meaning it's more akin to casting a 2.0 sec cast in a 2.5 sec GCD. But it's kind of a weird/unique case.

4) BLM main spells take up the entire GCD, leaving them "a very narrow slidecast window"; only the 0.5 sec, which is "much smaller" than the movement allowed by WHM's 1.5 or 2.0 sec casts..

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Do you get it now? You've been harassing me over you not being able to understand a person talking about a series of things. The fact I note spells with cast times have the window AND the BLM can do it even with spell casts equal to the GCD shows that your "B-b-but REN SAID that if you have a cast that isn't LESS THAN THE GCD you CANNOT SLIDECAST!!!" is a full on lie. Because, interestingly, that statement never appears in the post or the quote. Somewhere else in the thread I said something else, but the quote you want to hang your hat on has me no where saying "Slidecasting is ONLY spells that are less than the GCD".

What DOES appear in the post? Me saying ALL SPELLS with cast times have around 0.5 sec window to slidecast. Meaning I directly stated that spells with cast times longer than the GCD have slidecast windows.

Do you get it now? You've been harassing me and demanding I "admit I was wrong" all this time over your own inability to read and understand a post, and your fervent desire to "prove me wrong" over just asking me "Did you mean THIS or THIS?"

And the reason I didn't put in the first part is because it was already in the part he quoted, so it seemed redundant.

"You can still slidecast with spells that have cast time longer than recast" IS LITERALLY WHAT I SAID WHEN I SAID ALL SPELLS AS THAT INCLUDES SPELLS WITH CAST TIMES LONGER THAN THE GCD.

Now, you can keep up your feud or not, I just don't care, but I'm not going to bother trying to correct you more or engage in your petty tit-for-tat indulgence ranting.

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EDIT2: Nested quote fix