Thread: Your Opinion on the Current State of Job Identity/Balance in 6.4?

Originally Posted by Soge01

PvP has better job identity representation than PvE and that's just plain sad.

I agree! And pvp actions are way less numerous than their pve counterpart, but still more engaging, because you have to think strategically when to use your tools rather than putting them on a set script.

I pvp mostly as a Dancer, and one thing that really thrills me is that to play optimally you dynamically swap Closed Position based on the situation, or even to save someone that is about to die with Curing Waltz. It's a shame that the only real good PVP we have right now is CC. Besides the messy situation with ranked, the casual is really fun to play, but it certainly gets old to play over and over the same mode.

PvE could use with cutting done on button redundancy. Like, on Scholar, I'm often confused on why I have multiple abilities that do the same thing (and share the same or close to same cooldowns) with that "one" ability out of the bunch just being better in most situations.

The dps are overall okay other than summoner
Tanks are too samey, would love to see them diversified a bit
healers lol, pick your 1 button rotation

Originally Posted by Reimmi

The dps are overall okay other than summoner
Tanks are too samey, would love to see them diversified a bit
healers lol, pick your 1 button rotation

I wouldn't say Tanks are the same. Dark Knight isn't the same as Warrior at all other than both having a combo system. Warrior is much easier for less experienced players to play as, while Dark Knight is much squishier (and way less self-healing) and takes more skill.

Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

I wouldn't say Tanks are the same. Dark Knight isn't the same as Warrior at all other than both having a combo system. Warrior is much easier for less experienced players to play as, while Dark Knight is much squishier (and way less self-healing) and takes more skill.

I meant more that fel cleave is the same thing as bloodspiller, both inner release and delirium give you 3 uses of it as well. The only difference is potencies, they have the exact same gameplay for that ability
Stuff like that. GNB and pld have very similar rotations, too, with no mercy and fight or flight now

Originally Posted by DiaDeem

...Wait, you mean the role that barely needs healers anymore?

Warrior's powercreep set that standard. The only tank that was different was Drk, And I fully expect them to give them the same powercreep now that Warrior's damage is also the highest for absolutely no justifiable reason.

Originally Posted by DiaDeem

...Wait, you mean the role that barely needs healers anymore?

That's less a job issue and more a content / difficulty issue. They deliberately tune content damage low because they don't want healers to be stressed or panic and scared of the role because its too hard.

That's a big part of why tank self sustain is perceived as too high. Because incoming damage is too low and heavily predictable.

This has always been the case though. Every expansion. Even ARR /HW. It felt like there was amassive disconnect between the team designing jobs and the team designing content..

Old school paladin. The iron fortress tank. Low dps high defence and mitigation...

Old school whm. Pure healer class.

Old school monk. Single target king but crap at aoe.

All sound great but content designed entirely around dps /aoe meant none of those job designs ever fit in.

It's the same even amount dps.


Melee should hit hard but have the survivability to take a few hits due to be danger close to the boss.

Casters should hit even harder at the cost of reduced mobility there survival comes from spells like sleeps binds or magic barriers. Casting those spells costs dps.

Then physical ranged always used to be the glass cannon jobs. Super high damage super mobile. But squishy enough a falling leaf from a tree would drop them.

However xiv content is designed around unavoidable raidwide damage and stuff so every role type has to make a trade off for survival and that trade is always damage.

So now physical ranged is a highly survivable highly mobile but low damage role in a game where damage is all that matters...

Even magic ranged is highly mobile highly survivable and again low damage role. And melee Reighn supreme as a result.

All because of content design and unavoidable raidwides.