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    Legitimately a very good point TheCa.
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    They added some mediocre glow to hellhound weapons for reaching at least diamond.

    They wanna get people back into ranked but at the same time prevent a outrage by the pve community for having pretty weapons locked behind pvp.

    Perfect solution: Take ugly weapons and make em Glow.
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    While I wish they had at least updated the model for the hellhound weapons since some have pixel issues from yonder PS3 days going on I wouldn't call them ugly by a long shot.

    You say they are dodging outrage from the pve community like the PVE community isn't also playing ranked. There are so many necromancers/legends/lone hero/once and future people running around in all levels of ranked. Maybe the majority of casual players aren't in there but are they really the bar for "PVE" community? Can you be "player versus everything" if you only play the story and maybe clear the casual raids here and there?
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    While I agree with ThaCa that the reward systems should extend all the way down to bronze, Im genuinely amazed by the seething and malding over the mere existence of ranked-exclusive rewardsystems. God forbid the mode gets incentive...

    Humble reminder - casual players getting good rewards (battlepass, at least half the time) was never at odds with ranked rewards existing, it was mainly a matter of resource allocation from SE - so I don't understand why so many of you are so ADAMANT about the theory that SE axed ranked rewards to make space for other things. Smh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    While I agree with ThaCa that the reward systems should extend all the way down to bronze, Im genuinely amazed by the seething and malding over the mere existence of ranked-exclusive rewardsystems. God forbid the mode gets incentive...
    I'm not sure I'm seething over their existence, but I sure always had a problem with them, especially in Feast. The idea that dev resources get spent to make something that barely a handful of players will own does not really sit well with me at all. The idea that a reward is limited in time (FOMO, the crystal series is also problematic in that regards) is something that really, really grinds my gears. If on top of it you add that it's limited for a top 100 or whatever, yeah, I'm definitely not comfortable with the idea. At all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    While I agree with ThaCa that the reward systems should extend all the way down to bronze, Im genuinely amazed by the seething and malding over the mere existence of ranked-exclusive rewardsystems. God forbid the mode gets incentive...

    Humble reminder - casual players getting good rewards (battlepass, at least half the time) was never at odds with ranked rewards existing, it was mainly a matter of resource allocation from SE - so I don't understand why so many of you are so ADAMANT about the theory that SE axed ranked rewards to make space for other things. Smh.
    the only way i see them actually getting casuals to get into the mode and stay in it for any length of time is to lower the requirement for getting by a couple of ranks, I.E

    Gold = 1 commendation crystal
    Plat = 2
    Crystal = extra 2

    we can dodge the fomo relatively easy this way AND keep the tryhards happy.

    EDIT:
    The main reason why i make this suggestion is because ranked currently does not respect your time in the slightest and lowering the requirements for people who DO NOT want to be in the mode for too long and just want the glam can get their stuff and get out.. would just make the casuals happier and less opposed to this.
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    Like I said, if they add the glowing token spendable with trophy crystals instead, people will try to get it by doing Ranked and maybe Casual either way.
    This isn't, Ranked should get something special, Casual stay poor topic. There are no sides here, stop imagining you're the honorary member of Ranked players and people complaining are filthy casuals.

    There are lack of stuff to use with trophy crystals, you get 90% of those garbage from BattlePass, the only thing you can trade in is one fucking X materia for every 4000 trophies, before went through multiple stupid trade windows.
    Imagine getting 6x Grade X materias from 4.5 months Battlepass with clicking all those windows to get it.

    And instead of use the new reward to fix this problem, they went back to their old sick habit again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysius View Post
    Like I said, if they add the glowing token spendable with trophy crystals instead, people will try to get it by doing Ranked and maybe Casual either way.
    This isn't, Ranked should get something special, Casual stay poor topic. There are no sides here, stop imagining you're the honorary member of Ranked players and people complaining are filthy casuals.

    There are lack of stuff to use with trophy crystals, you get 90% of those garbage from BattlePass, the only thing you can trade in is one fucking X materia for every 4000 trophies, before went through multiple stupid trade windows.
    Imagine getting 6x Grade X materias from 4.5 months Battlepass with clicking all those windows to get it.

    And instead of use the new reward to fix this problem, they went back to their old sick habit again.
    Ok that "honorary member of ranked players" comment gave me quite a laugh, thank you. Make no mistake tho, Im not trying to be a saviour or mouthpiece, Im only giving my input as a ranked player because I want to see the mode thrive - you thinking Im imagining this as "people complaining are filthy casuals" is projection by you alone.

    So to be clear, I understand completely that you are annoyed on how little Trophy Crystals can be effectively spent on, I get that and I support improvements in that system. I think they are a great system fundament, but it needs either a desirable currency sink for those with excess crystals and/or needs better/more rewards and consumables tied to it. At this point Id even suggest an equivalent to current PVE tier crafted gear so you can use PVP as alternate progression. And return old Battlepass stuff as well, ppl want the Archfiend set to return after all.

    Short, yes Trophy Crystals has problems and Im all for improving it.

    However, either out of willful ignorance or simply being unable to see beyond your own scope of interest, you simply don't get or want to get why Commendation Crystals (Ranked currency) got introduced in the first place. The primary purpose of them is purely to incentivize Ranked play, regardless if people like that or not or how well it will perform in that.

    I am massively at odds with suggestions like "make the ranked thing purchasable with Trophy Crystals" because that defeats the entire purpose of that ranked currency. I don't give two f***s that some casual pvper finally gets access to Augmented Hellhound weapons, I do give a lot more than two if it meant Ranked player retention and incentivization had to tank further because of it. Ranked has enough of a hard time as is which isn't fixable with "fun improvement" alone.

    Keep ranked currency in ranked, fix Trophy Crystals being meh in other ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    I am massively at odds with suggestions like "make the ranked thing purchasable with Trophy Crystals" because that defeats the entire purpose of that ranked currency. I don't give two f***s that some casual pvper finally gets access to Augmented Hellhound weapons, I do give a lot more than two if it meant Ranked player retention and incentivization had to tank further because of it. Ranked has enough of a hard time as is which isn't fixable with "fun improvement" alone.

    Keep ranked currency in ranked, fix Trophy Crystals being meh in other ways.
    You're assuming people don't do Ranked for Trophy Crystals or Series level, I say it's the opposite. If they put more stuff to buy with Trophy Crystals, more people will play Ranked thus "incentivizing" it in a more effective way than making exclusive stuff to attract elitist and smug people into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysius View Post
    You're assuming people don't do Ranked for Trophy Crystals or Series level, I say it's the opposite. If they put more stuff to buy with Trophy Crystals, more people will play Ranked thus "incentivizing" it in a more effective way than making exclusive stuff to attract elitist and smug people into it.
    Even with a much more substantial amount of stuff in the crystal trophy shop, I don't think anyone would be willing to go through ranked solely just to get more crystal trophies. It would be much easier to go into Casual or Frontlines farm out series xp much more faster, efficiently, and with much less stress.
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