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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    I dont see what the huge fuss here is. Bugs happen. All the time. They happen, they get reported, they get fixed. As if this is something new or unheard of.
    "I don't care, as long as it doesn't affect me."

    To recite your words: "Give it...and us..a rest."
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    First I wasn't even referencing that. I'm talking about repair "exploit" which is a total non-issue.

    Second, literally no one died because they jumped during webs. That's a total non-issue because you go into specific spots to solve it anyways. you don't need to see it to know what to do??? Just go on the pole lmao

    Like bruh just do the fight and this is so obvious as to which bugs are important and which aren't
    Look, it’s one thing to blame SE for not addressing P12S bug sooner, another to describe previous hotfix as “irrelevant.”

    If some of major bugs had already been addressed, it stands to reason they uploaded their patch ASAP. Just because “nobody wipes” doesn’t mean they should procrastinate their finished patch just to suit your “ but muh is more important.”

    And no, I think the issues addressed in the previous hotfix are not irrelevant.
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  3. #103
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    sprinting still eats dual cast

    yall better get a chair
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  4. #104
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    "I don't care, as long as it doesn't affect me."
    Only I have never said this. Ever.

    Here is truth, now and always.

    There is not one game, one piece of software in the whole of existence, that does not have bugs, glitches, flaws, you name it. You can run a piece of software for years, then have a major flaw undetected and unknown bug appear out of nowhere.

    I was part of a special project about five years before I retired, updating an old network system program as part of a larger mainframe upgrade. The software was tried and tested, theyd had it for years. Zero problems. Until what the NOC director called a time bomb glitch froze EVERY SINGLE TERMINAL in the entire building in the space of seconds.

    It took them five hours to narrow the issue down and implement a fix.

    Add in all kinds of hardware and you have problems literally WAITING to happen. No warning. No indication it is going to happen until it does.

    Bugs happen. Issues happen. If you havent worked that out by now, I cant help you.
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Only I have never said this. Ever.

    Here is truth, now and always.

    There is not one game, one piece of software in the whole of existence, that does not have bugs, glitches, flaws, you name it. You can run a piece of software for years, then have a major flaw undetected and unknown bug appear out of nowhere.

    I was part of a special project about five years before I retired, updating an old network system program as part of a larger mainframe upgrade. The software was tried and tested, theyd had it for years. Zero problems. Until what the NOC director called a time bomb glitch froze EVERY SINGLE TERMINAL in the entire building in the space of seconds.

    It took them five hours to narrow the issue down and implement a fix.

    Add in all kinds of hardware and you have problems literally WAITING to happen. No warning. No indication it is going to happen until it does.

    Bugs happen. Issues happen. If you havent worked that out by now, I cant help you.
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    It's all about playing those other games after all, even Yoshi said so ! Just relinq your house and play other games and then spend multiple years getting your house back, the game isnt meant to be played all the time !
    Do you guys not have other games?

    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Bugs happen. Issues happen. If you havent worked that out by now, I cant help you.
    This is about how fast bugs are fixed. If you havent worked that out by now, I cant help you.
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    Will put you on ignore if you can't form a logical argument but argue nonetheless

  7. #107
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    This is about how fast bugs are fixed. If you havent worked that out by now, I cant help you.
    "I want it fixed NAO". Doesnt work that way, never has, never will. Again, you dont fix bugs on the fly with a halfbaked "workaround" that may cause more issues later.

    Get real.
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    "I want it fixed NAO". Doesnt work that way, never has, never will. Again, you dont fix bugs on the fly with a halfbaked "workaround" that may cause more issues later.

    Get real.
    Or you do QA testing and then those bugs dont happen

    No way

    And before you tell me "BUGS ARE MEANT TO HAPPEN !!!", yes, small bugs are meant to happen, not game breaking bugs in the highest tier of content in the game.

    Just like the whole housing fiasco with the winner being number 0, those things are not small bugs, and if there was testing it would have been noticed.

    Btw as a little reminder, it took over a month IIRC for the housing fix to come out, how is that acceptable ?
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    Last edited by Stormpeaks; 06-07-2023 at 09:53 PM.

  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Or you do QA testing and then those bugs dont happen

    No way

    And before you tell me "BUGS ARE MEANT TO HAPPEN !!!", yes, small bugs are meant to happen, not game breaking bugs in the highest tier of content in the game.

    Just like the whole housing fiasco with the winner being number 0, those things are not small bugs, and if there was testing it would have been noticed.
    even Q&A cannot catch all bugs. thats unrealistic since Q&A is not testing on a live server.

    from what appears to happen, its when the servers are under load according to the release, which since they did not say what kind of load, its likely the devs had to go over logs to try and determine how it happens and may not have been able to be replicated in their test environment. Since it has been cleared, clearly it was not happening 100% of the time, which are some of the hardest bugs to root out. the devs where I work see this with our software, and its called "unintended application". It cannot really be "tested" because its not a workflow the devs OR Q&A had thought of or would use. could they have caught it? sure, maybe, the number 0 one, most likely, this one I am not so sure because the test server, no matter how close you make it to live, will never be a live server.
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  10. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    even Q&A cannot catch all bugs. thats unrealistic since Q&A is not testing on a live server.

    from what appears to happen, its when the servers are under load according to the release, which since they did not say what kind of load, its likely the devs had to go over logs to try and determine how it happens and may not have been able to be replicated in their test environment. Since it has been cleared, clearly it was not happening 100% of the time, which are some of the hardest bugs to root out. the devs where I work see this with our software, and its called "unintended application". It cannot really be "tested" because its not a workflow the devs OR Q&A had thought of or would use. could they have caught it? sure, maybe, the number 0 one, most likely, this one I am not so sure because the test server, no matter how close you make it to live, will never be a live server.
    Yeah sure, literally number 0 winning couldnt have been caught beforehand, alright lmao

    There is a thing called QA testing, maybe they should try that and actually play the content they put out to make sure it works properly, small bugs are fine, those bugs are not small.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Not trying to completely excuse bugs that occur anyway but you must be living in lala-land if you seriously believe that in the history of video games there never was a game breaking bug or two in every single product ever.

    It clearly shows your blatant ignorance over the issues if you believe just waving things with a magic wand and everyone in the team being able to catch every issue in the game.

    Besides you dont even seriously care about the game anyway. Go back to your little gingerbread house or whatever and stop pretending like you actually give a damn about the game.
    Considering your past posts in response to me, I think I will put you back where you were before which is the ignore list since obviously you cant behave and talk like a normal human being

    adios
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    Last edited by Stormpeaks; 06-07-2023 at 10:09 PM.

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