Fix the bug that actually matters?

[Saraide]

It is indeed. Kind sickening to a point. This is the kind of crap stalkers get up to.



Which then begs the question as to what the hell were you doing looking for it in the first place?

Am I in your static?

No.

Am I on your server?

No.

Am I any savage or ex groups you may be in?

No.

Then what damned business is it of yours poking your nose in there to begin with?

What business do you have in this thread?

[VelKallor]

Because it's a public website and its funny.

As I said.

This is the kind of crap stalkers get up to.

[Mosha]

As I said.

You're the one who brought up how to tell if one's logs were hidden and I just answered the question.

[VelKallor]

It's a valid point to an extent

Its armoury trolling. Its borderline stalking.

In that, if you have never touched the fight or cleared the fight, or ones of a similar nature then it's difficult to actually speak first hand about the topic itself

Your insinuation that one needs to be "qualified" is also known as gatekeeping. I and others will discuss what I choose whenever we choose to do so. You do not tell anyone what they may or may not discuss on, guess what, a public forum. Also, using dps numbers as a blunt object to beat people over the head with, is a classic example of the kind of toxicity in a parser culture. Thanks again, for proving what I have been saying.

Ill say this for the records. i have no logs as I dont, and will not ever, install any kind of third party software on my system such as ACT. I see those as cheating, especially with the other plugins that call out mechanics.

No ACT no logs.

, and the implication that the bug, or a bug has - This would stand true for any game or any piece of content within a game. Still though, regardless of this it is pretty weird if the first inclination is to look up peoples' logs in the first place.

IF you go back and read my posts, which it appears you have not, I have agreed it is a bug, I have agreed it needs to be fixed, I agree its gamebreaking. I take exception, however, to the again toxic attitude that it needs to be " fixed nao " or that SE is "incompetent" or that "They dont do QA". They do.

It will be fixed when it can be.

I have also said that all bugs cant be eliminated in QA. They cant. they will never be. It is impossible. You cannot ever hope to anticipate every single bug or glitch or problem the game may encounter

I said this as well. Or didnt you notice?

You are cordially invited to tell me which of the above is not a fact.

[Kaurhz]

Its armoury trolling. Its borderline stalking.



Your insinuation that one needs to be "qualified" is also known as gatekeeping. I and others will discuss what I choose whenever we choose to do so. You do not tell anyone what they may or may not discuss on, guess what, a public forum. Also, using dps numbers as a blunt object to beat people over the head with is a classic example of the kind of toxicity in a parser culture. Thanks again, for proving what I have been saying.



IF you go back and read my posts, which it appears you have not, I have agreed it is a bug, I have agreed it needs to be fixed, I agree its gamebreaking. I take exception, however, to the again toxic attitude that it needs to be " fixed nao " or that SE is "incompetent" or that "They dont do QA". They do.

It will be fixed when it can be.

I have also said that all bugs cant be eliminated in QA. They cant. they will never be. It is impossible. You cannot ever hope to anticipate every single bug or glitch or problem the game may encounter

I said this as well. Or didnt you notice?

You are cordially invited to tell me which of the above is not a fact.

Ain't nobody got time to read through every post you make in a 19 page thread, most especially when several threads on this very issue has been made. Calm down.

I just simply stated that certain statements and inferences are difficult to make (regardless of which stream of content this is), hence why people would lean to an argument from authority - If you feel personally called out by this fact, and if you feel personally attacked by it then that is a you problem. It was a blanket comment to anyone that would feel curious as to why people would do such a thing.

You asked "What are people doing poking into peoples logs anyway, what business is it of yours?" - I answered this question, if you didn't like the answer, then this again, is a you problem. It doesn't change the fact that this is why people do such a thing.

[VelKallor]

You're the one who brought up how to tell if one's logs were hidden and I just answered the question.

Understood.

[VelKallor]

. It doesn't change the fact that this is why people do such a thing.

Actually, it goes to prove SEs case on parsers. The claim is that "we use them to improve" blah blah...yet what do we see? Those same dps numbers being used as a tool to harass and embarrass other people via this forum. If you have a parser you are meant to keep it to yourself.

Using parser numbers to harass others is in fact validation of what YoshiP has said about how they are misused..so that in turn lends weight to the idea and belief that they should not be allowed AT ALL.

So..if using parsers like ACT is to improve your own gameplay...then there isnt any need to go poking noses into someone else logs.

is there?

Think on that a moment.

Ain't nobody got time to read through every post you make in a 19 page thread, most especially when several threads on this very issue has been made.

So..to use a parallel to what was said earlier.....

In that, if you have never touched the fight or cleared the fight, or ones of a similar nature then it's difficult to actually speak first hand about the topic itself,

..you cant comment on what i said on a topic unless you check earlier posts.

Cant have it both ways now, can we?.

[Mosha]

Actually, it goes to prove SEs case on parsers. The claim is that "we use them to improve" blah blah...yet what do we see? Those same dps numbers being used as a tool to harass and embarrass other people via this forum. If you have a parser you are meant to keep it to yourself.

Using parser numbers to harass others is in fact validation of what YoshiP has said about how they are misused..so that in turn lends weight to the idea and belief that they should not be allowed AT ALL.

So..if using parsers like ACT is to improve your own gameplay...then there isnt any need to go poking noses into someone else logs.

is there?

Think on that a moment.

well it is not for harassment/embarrassment it's just to show you've got no experience with harder content therefore your opinions on stuff like the P10s bug are very misinformed. but you can bitch to Gaius for bringing it up if you want.

[Kaurhz]

Actually, it goes to prove SEs case on parsers. The claim is that "we use them to improve" blah blah...yet what do we see? Those same dps numbers being used as a tool to harass and embarrass other people via this forum. If you have a parser you are meant to keep it to yourself.

Using parser numbers to harass others is in fact validation of what YoshiP has said about how they are misused..so that in turn lends weight to the idea and belief that they should not be allowed AT ALL.

So..if using parsers like ACT is to improve your own gameplay...then there isnt any need to go poking noses into someone else logs.

is there?

Think on that a moment.

Here you go:

Don't ask questions you aren't prepared to handle the answers to

I genuinely don't think it is harassment just to simply point out the fact. This wouldn't be too dissimilar to people trying to dismiss concerns on content or lack thereof by pointing out they haven't completed, or don't seem to have completed xyz, just as an example. The only difference being that the offense is on the different side this time. Not saying you're personally responsible, but it's a lot more prolific than you think on this forum, the only difference being that the metric is different.

If you feel personally embarrassed by the fact then I would say this is a you problem. In many cases there actually isn't even anything wrong with that, a majority of players, even arguably those on this thread will have, at some point in time parsed grey. The difference being that some people decide to use it as self-motivation to either improve or look where a problem is, and some people will elect to wallow in self-pity on the fact.

Harassment is not pointing out the fact, harassment would be something a whole lot stronger, frankly.

What the intended use for a particular piece of data is, and what people elect to use said data for are 2 entirely different things. Under this premise, I could actually make a pretty good case that minions and mounts collection should be hidden from the lodestone, because you could absolutely and very easily harass someone over that. Equally, you could harass someone over achievement score pretty easily, and arguably to a lot more of a toxic degree than, say, parsing.

Let me try and reframe this for you... Nobody entirely disagrees with whether they are bugs or not, whether they're abusable or not, etc., - The problem is when you write stuff such as this:

I take exception, however, to the again toxic attitude that it needs to be " fixed nao " or that SE is "incompetent" or that "They dont do QA". They do.

At the end of the day, to a degree, it doesn't matter what the fact behind the scene is - The end result is entirely the same that people are left with bugs that otherwise can intrude on something that should be enjoyable, so yes, people are going to be annoyed, and trying to feign some high-ground is only going to aggravate.

Edit (Just as another example, and seemingly on the front page):

I dont see what the huge fuss here is. Bugs happen. All the time. They happen, they get reported, they get fixed. As if this is something new or unheard of.

[VelKallor]

well it is not for harassment/embarrassment it's just to show you've got no experience with harder content

Wrong. I have raided up incl Mythic back in WOW over eight years. I dont do it anymore. The experiences remain the same, regardless of what MMO.

It is harassment. It is misuse of logs. And its proof to me that maybe YoshiP is right and they need to ban ACT completely.