Fix the bug that actually matters?

[BRVV]

"I want it fixed NAO"

No one said that. It's about priority of fixing bugs and testing.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Or you do QA testing and then those bugs dont happen

No way

And before you tell me "BUGS ARE MEANT TO HAPPEN !!!", yes, small bugs are meant to happen, not game breaking bugs in the highest tier of content in the game.

Just like the whole housing fiasco with the winner being number 0, those things are not small bugs, and if there was testing it would have been noticed.

Btw as a little reminder, it took over a month IIRC for the housing fix to come out, how is that acceptable ?

Not trying to completely excuse bugs that occur anyway but you must be living in lala-land if you seriously believe that in the history of video games there never was a game breaking bug or two in every single product ever.

It clearly shows your blatant ignorance over the issues if you believe just waving things with a magic wand and everyone in the team being able to catch every issue in the game.

Besides you dont even seriously care about the game anyway. Go back to your little gingerbread house or whatever and stop pretending like you actually give a damn about the game.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Throwing hyperbolic statement is not disagreement. It's tantrum.

You seemed to have a standard of what a good gaming company should be. Too bad your standard for "disagreement" is abysmally low

ok ok I got you. Here's mine disagreement. SE is evil. Look, I gave a well constructive criticism. I'm on your side now. I'm not a white knight. Now defend me like you always do to the likes of SE BAD folks.

This is the person who also said the game is failing because it didn't retain all its player base from expansion launch.
So they clearly know what a good company is.

[Semirhage]

Y'know, I keep hearing that people aren't white knights, but I have yet to see a single negative thread that isn't met with the same set of people going "Tantrums! Hyperbole! Complaining about every little thing!"

The Caloric bug is one that prevents people from clearing. This is not a good thing. It would have been good if Square prioritized this one, but it appears that they didn't.

But it doesn't matter how outlandish or not a negative thread is. It's always "UGH, you're so emotional, so hyperbolic", with zero regard for the content. Has it occurred to any of you that the reason these troll threads are so funny is because they're probing for an actual game issue that you guys won't fall back on the Squeenix defensive for? You claim you're not white knights, but Jeebus there's nothing you won't call "over-emotional" or "overblown", at least not that I've seen.

[Stormpeaks]

Y'know, I keep hearing that people aren't white knights, but I have yet to see a single negative thread that isn't met with the same set of people going "Tantrums! Hyperbole! Complaining about every little thing!"

The Caloric bug is one that prevents people from clearing. This is not a good thing. It would have been good if Square prioritized this one, but it appears that they didn't.

But it doesn't matter how outlandish or not a negative thread is. It's always "UGH, you're so emotional, so hyperbolic", with zero regard for the content. Has it occurred to any of you that the reason these troll threads are so funny is because they're probing for an actual game issue that you guys won't fall back on the Squeenix defensive for? You claim you're not white knights, but Jeebus there's nothing you won't call "over-emotional" or "overblown", at least not that I've seen.

It's always the same few people doing that honestly, thankfully there's really few of them, I'd say about 10 or less, they will whiteknight and defend the multibillion dollar company at all cost

[Shinkuno]

It's always the same few people doing that honestly, thankfully there's really few of them, I'd say about 10 or less, they will whiteknight and defend the multibillion dollar company at all cost

They like to claim the game has so much to do, yet they have time to sit in the forums 15 hours a day *think emoji*

Proper fixes take time. This is...news? Want them to do it fast and have more problems??

Or take their time and do it right?

Which is it??

I hope you dont genuinely believe making a random number not roll 0 takes time. If you do believe so, you are really detached from reality and probably think programming is black magic.

even Q&A cannot catch all bugs. thats unrealistic since Q&A is not testing on a live server.

from what appears to happen, its when the servers are under load according to the release, which since they did not say what kind of load, its likely the devs had to go over logs to try and determine how it happens and may not have been able to be replicated in their test environment. Since it has been cleared, clearly it was not happening 100% of the time, which are some of the hardest bugs to root out. the devs where I work see this with our software, and its called "unintended application". It cannot really be "tested" because its not a workflow the devs OR Q&A had thought of or would use. could they have caught it? sure, maybe, the number 0 one, most likely, this one I am not so sure because the test server, no matter how close you make it to live, will never be a live server.

They PRIDE themselves with their playtest team, to the point they mock the players when content releases overtuned and they release statements like "well our team cleared it" while its pretty obvious their playtest team doesnt actually clear the content, else the buffcap stuff would have been caught.

[TaleraRistain]

I hope you dont genuinely believe making a random number not roll 0 takes time. If you do believe so, you are really detached from reality and probably think programming is black magic.

This says to me you just jumped on the bandwagon around here of the armchair devs who were criticizing SE like this who turned out to be completely wrong about the issue. The problem wasn't a random number generator not rolling 0. The problem was the instance server wasn't getting the result from the lottery server so was defaulting to 0 in the absence of a result.

[BRVV]

This says to me you just jumped on the bandwagon around here of the armchair devs who were criticizing SE like this who turned out to be completely wrong about the issue. The problem wasn't a random number generator not rolling 0. The problem was the instance server wasn't getting the result from the lottery server so was defaulting to 0 in the absence of a result.

So they didn't even test their hardware setup?

[Shinkuno]

This says to me you just jumped on the bandwagon around here of the armchair devs who were criticizing SE like this who turned out to be completely wrong about the issue. The problem wasn't a random number generator not rolling 0. The problem was the instance server wasn't getting the result from the lottery server so was defaulting to 0 in the absence of a result.

"nyoooo there are no developers outside square enix that means everyone is a armchair dev"

It might suprise you, but developers exist outside of your favourite company too And it doesnt matter where the result came from, if 0 is a result that shouldnt exist, its really fucking easy to make the final output not be that number. Thats called exception handling and is really basic.

[VelKallor]

Or you do QA testing and then those bugs dont happen

Yes. They do. All the time. QA cannot hope to fix every bug and every glitch..ESPECIALLY when we combine that with different native hardware that comes with its own list of quirks and issues. Look at new CPUs and GPUs, new drivers, new cards, interfaces..even motherboard firmware.

You cannot, in QA , anticipate and solve AHEAD OF TIME every single permutation of every possible bug that may occur.

To expect otherwise is utterly ludicrous.

And before you tell me "BUGS ARE MEANT TO HAPPEN !!!", yes, small bugs are meant to happen, not game breaking bugs in the highest tier of content in the game. Just like the whole housing fiasco with the winner being number 0, those things are not small bugs, and if there was testing it would have been noticed

See above.

Btw as a little reminder, it took over a month IIRC for the housing fix to come out, how is that acceptable ?

Proper fixes take time. This is...news? Want them to do it fast and have more problems??

Or take their time and do it right?

Which is it??