Crystaline Conflict is the worst

[Ranaku]

For the love of Hydaelyn SE, let us group up with friends.

And if you care about "unfair" groups who coordinate and don't just run out of spawn, one by one, into their death then make it another option, like with ranked and unranked.

It blows my mind how SE can make a actually fun PVP experience and then totally ruin it by throwing random people together and calling it a day. And now we just roll a dice at the start of each match and the team with the least braindead players win, personal skill doesn't matter.

It's hilarious how easily this could be fixed, i have no clue what SE is scared of but we are now so many seasons into the new PVP and they haven't even addressed it.

[Ranaku]

Just to add a bit of context to this, this thread is born out of my own frustration with CC. Because i constantly deal double the damage, get double the kills than everyone else and heck sometimes i even deal more damage than my entire team together in a 5m match.

Meanwhile i get people who can't even do a full rotation and deal more than 50k damage, people who can't hit the selfheal at all, people who run one by one out of spawn into the enemy team and ofc people who can't play their jobs not even a bit.

It's just sad that you can perform as good as you want you will still get punished when you have two or more bad players on your team. You are basically destined to lose no matter what you do. And for me, especially in ranked, that isn't really the pinnacle of fun gameplay.

[Stormpeaks]

So you want to steamroll people as a group basically, since you admit yourself that people are absolutely terrible, you'd basically be getting free wins, no thanks, CC is fine as it is

[KitingGenbu]

I thought CC was meant for people without friends since you can't even chat in it anyway.

[Ranaku]

So you want to steamroll people as a group basically, since you admit yourself that people are absolutely terrible, you'd basically be getting free wins, no thanks, CC is fine as it is

Yes of course i want to steamroll people in a group! That's totally what i wrote there! You might need some glasses tbh.

I said, to make it fair, just make a extra option for premade groups vs premade groups. So, you know, RANDOM PEOPLE DON'T GET STEAMROLLED.

Somehow i get the feeling your entire existence is just based on opposing people on these forums, while not reading what people write in the slightest.

[Shougun]

I have fun in CC, and I can promise you I'd not if they allowed preformed. Preform ABOSLUTELY play better than free form groups and would both demolish and potentially allow easy win trading.

That said your suggestion of a separate queue just for pre-forms.. that's fine! Seems reasonable.

As for the new potential for win trading I strongly believe they should stop adding anything of real value behind the top 100 type things, leaderboard rewards invite, strongly invite, cheating and no-life-ing. Can have an achievement I suppose or a boarder if they really want, but nothing beyond that. Or alternatively if they're dead set on that, at least offer it via other means 6 months to a year later- every time. Naturally the standard rewards are still there, still get your series exp and such (no reduction in rewards for going preform).

[WhiteFlow]

Like this mode only have one problem...

[Ranaku]

I have fun in CC, and I can promise you I'd not if they allowed preformed. Preform ABOSLUTELY play better than free form groups and would both demolish and potentially allow easy win trading.

That said your suggestion of a separate queue just for pre-forms.. that's fine! Seems reasonable.

As for the new potential for win trading I strongly believe they should stop adding anything of real value behind the top 100 type things, leaderboard rewards invite, strongly invite, cheating and no-life-ing. Can have an achievement I suppose or a boarder if they really want, but nothing beyond that. Or alternatively if they're dead set on that, at least offer it via other means 6 months to a year later- every time. Naturally the standard rewards are still there, still get your series exp and such (no reduction in rewards for going preform).

Which is totally alright, ofc preformed groups play better cause they can sync their limitbreaks. And ofc use voice chat. That's why they should have separate listings and queues.

Right now CC is just luck based. Which is really sad for a PVP gamemode that should be about your personal skill. You can grind ranked for weeks as the worst player ever and you will still reach Crystal cause of how the system works. And is that really fun in the end? Just grinding it out, not really having to perform well at all or get better cause you know you either get good teammates or bad ones and you have no control over that.

My opinion is that there is little reason to not introduce an extra option for premade groups so everyone can have their fun. Cheating is already a problem in CC so that argument is totally not valid. And wintrading is actually also still a thing. Cause people will play CC with two groups outside of primetime and just wintrade.

[GTK0HLK]

I have fun in CC, and I can promise you I'd not if they allowed preformed. Preform ABOSLUTELY play better than free form groups and would both demolish and potentially allow easy win trading.

That said your suggestion of a separate queue just for pre-forms.. that's fine! Seems reasonable.

As for the new potential for win trading I strongly believe they should stop adding anything of real value behind the top 100 type things, leaderboard rewards invite, strongly invite, cheating and no-life-ing. Can have an achievement I suppose or a boarder if they really want, but nothing beyond that. Or alternatively if they're dead set on that, at least offer it via other means 6 months to a year later- every time. Naturally the standard rewards are still there, still get your series exp and such (no reduction in rewards for going preform).

If only,
but then you'd have complains of the Haves, and have not on your hands.

Cause it would benefit those who plan for rewards than those who fill the queues during dead time for fun.

I've always been that the foundation and modes of pvp should increase manifold over the rewards those who only care about limiting access do.

They could even add something that incentivizes going duo/Trio to new/variable game modes, along side pre-made 5v5. and other objective based gamemodes.

[Shougun]

Which is totally alright, ofc preformed groups play better cause they can sync their limitbreaks. And ofc use voice chat. That's why they should have separate listings and queues.

Right now CC is just luck based. Which is really sad for a PVP gamemode that should be about your personal skill. You can grind ranked for weeks as the worst player ever and you will still reach Crystal cause of how the system works. And is that really fun in the end? Just grinding it out, not really having to perform well at all or get better cause you know you either get good teammates or bad ones and you have no control over that.

My opinion is that there is little reason to not introduce an extra option for premade groups so everyone can have their fun. Cheating is already a problem in CC so that argument is totally not valid. And wintrading is actually also still a thing. Cause people will play CC with two groups outside of primetime and just wintrade.

Everything you said seems correct to me. I could see preform queue being more consistently skill based, and higher levels of play being common - generally desirable qualities if you are able to get a group together.

I would wonder if they just add rank based queue to further increase the win trading not be a fair argument.. I mean you can win trade but you will have garbage rank lol. I honestly don't care about win trading outside of, imo, silly leaderboard type reward structures. I really think SE misses the mark when they use those for anything beyond titles and maybe boarders for portraits- they are extremely sketchy reward mechanics. So.. even making it rank based only really isn't a thing I think needs to be done. My only caution would be adding too many options making queue too long. When the queue is under a certain threshold they could narrow it down to just ranked and when it is above it could be either or (like on weekends you'd probably get both, but during weekdays there might not be enough to split the preforms). Alternatively could just let players decide how long they're willing to wait lol.

Besides leaderboard (not really the point of your post, just an aside topic for me) and potentially how long a preform would have to wait if you offer too many options, there really doesn't seem to be a reason why SE wouldn't genuinely consider it.