Lets talk about loot specifically savage loot.

[Miyumi_Nara]

Before I say anything I expect this to open a can of worms.

So why are people allowed to clear and get no loot. I know they get a book each week but that still means they can go 3-6 weeks without winning loot.

Now when I compare it to ultimate. Everybody who clears can get any weapon they want each week. Normal raids alliance raids also work this very same way.

So why is savage different?

Now this not only breeds toxicity in your raiders it also breeds toxicity in statics. Because it is making static players if they want to practice a raid forced to wipe party finder or be kicked from there static.

Now what does this do it makes clearing savage harder in part finder because its blurring the lines between bad raiders and static members who are fucking your party over just to practice a single mechanic.

I've heard countless times in voice chats from raiders saying they purposely wipe savage to not go ahead of there static.

Ive been in a few statics who told me to do the same or they would kick me. I got kicked because im not going to ruin other peoples experiences for some jerk on the net. That cares more about there own loot than the community.

So this is a very real situation and it doesen't stop rmt all this does is encourage players to make alts to sell runs with.

My proposed fix would be just make savage loot fall in line with normal raids or alliance raids. And thats everybody is allowed 1 piece per raid. This would fix alot of problems.

It would fix alot of the trolls and trap parties in savage and give people incentive to reclea and better learn the fights

[Oizen]

To keep people subscribed.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Because the Devs and the randoms that don't even do the content put the gear on a pedestal, so it has to be very very very slowly spoon fed to you until about a month before the next tier is out.

[Ath192]

If they do that I’m getting my BIS and not playing the game in like 2 weeks. Which is nice because in a single month of sub I can finish all msq, get BIS and go play other games.

PF would die super quickly but who cares, I got mine.

It I think that’s not quite what developers want but players would very much behave like this.

[Jeeqbit]

Now when I compare it to ultimate. Everybody who clears can get any weapon they want each week. Normal raids alliance raids also work this very same way.

So why is savage different?

Because savage is meant to be easier and recleared. Ultimate is meant to be so hard that you get the clear and might not be able to pull it off a second time. Whether that's actually the case I'm not going to comment but maybe a group just lucks out on a lot of RNG aspects and can't replicate it.

Now this not only breeds toxicity in your raiders it also breeds toxicity in statics. Because it is making static players if they want to practice a raid forced to wipe party finder or be kicked from there static.

Yes, but the solution could be to keep loot weekly but make it so you having cleared just makes you automatically roll Need and then say unable to be obtained if you win the roll.

One solution is to have raid days be early in the week so you can PF later in the week.

I've heard countless times in voice chats from raiders saying they purposely wipe savage to not go ahead of there static.

Ive been in a few statics who told me to do the same or they would kick me. I got kicked because im not going to ruin other peoples experiences for some jerk on the net. That cares more about there own loot than the community.

Wow, never heard of that. That's a really awful thing to do. I don't usually see anything that looks intentional in PF though.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Wow, never heard of that. That's a really awful thing to do. I don't usually see anything that looks intentional in PF though.

People 100% do this in prog parties because of the 2-chest system. Though i'm always on the boat of i would rather have experience in my raid group over a 2 chest for a week. If people wanted to PF before raid prog and cleared the content, all that means is we prog quicker as a group. Reclears should always be a 2-chest for a static though (IMO) .

[Stormpeaks]

Because this game's raiding would die in less than a month so they have to timegate it to oblivion to keep people subscribed, timegates are fun right ?

[Miyumi_Nara]

To keep people subscribed.

Looks at the casuals that subscribe that don't run savage and I have to ask what keepss them subscribed the number is much larger than the savage players

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Because this game's raiding would die in less than a month so they have to timegate it to oblivion to keep people subscribed, timegates are fun right ?

They could always gear gate instead. That worked great before.



The raid scene is too used to being able to clear week one. If they changed that people would riot.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Players can clear content faster than new content can be generated. Until ChatGPT/LLMs change that basic calculus, some sort of timegating is - and I cannot stress this enough - fun-maximizing for players (which is why it is ubiquitous in live service games).

There's no sinister conspiracy behind it. Without timegating, plenty of players would no-life grind gear and then endlessly post on the forums about having nothing to do - they would in fact like that system less.

That's it. There's nothing more complicated than that.