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    GoatOfWar's Avatar
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    What is Dark knight for now that War just does everything better?

    The more i play, the more annoyed i get by this nagging sense that i'm playing worse Warrior. They outperform us in just about everything except for soaking magic tank busters, which we're not even that much better at. Besides that, they have the highest damage, shortest cooldown invuln in the game, best sustain of all tanks, better raid utility. It also does not rely on a 2 minute burst so isn't punished as hard when fights end before their burst.
    I plan to get into savage next week, but i'm becoming increasingly frustrated with Warrior's state. And feel like i'm just playing worse warrior for no fucking reason.
    So what is the point of Dark knight's existence currently? 'Play it because you wan to play it' will be ignored. You could play conjurer or Arcanist at level cap because you want to. That doesn't mean that you should.
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    Last edited by GoatOfWar; 06-04-2023 at 08:20 AM.

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    Why do you play dark knight? If it’s for the aesthetic stop caring about it and if it’s for damage swap to gunbreaker or warrior.
    Warrior has been bottom two tanks for the last 5 tiers, if it stayed the same forever then it’d be boring.
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    All because of a little buff?

    Just play what you find fun and it'll be fine to clear whatever. If for some reason it's not, complain the way people did when Abyssos released so that your job is made viable in an emergency patch.
    (2)
    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    Why do you play dark knight? If it’s for the aesthetic stop caring about it and if it’s for damage swap to gunbreaker or warrior.
    Warrior has been bottom two tanks for the last 5 tiers, if it stayed the same forever then it’d be boring.
    One job being strictly better at *everything* than another makes the game more enjoyable for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    All because of a little buff?

    Just play what you find fun and it'll be fine to clear whatever. If for some reason it's not, complain the way people did when Abyssos released so that your job is made viable in an emergency patch.
    My question has not been answered here.
    (5)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    You could play conjurer or Arcanist at level cap because you want to. That doesn't mean that you should.
    Yea of course, the difference between whm and cnj is exactly the same as between war and drk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Yea of course, the difference between whm and cnj is exactly the same as between war and drk.
    I'm highlighting why that is not a valid argument. I can use even larger exaggerations to get my point across if you want to?
    It still stands. Why do we have a job that does everything better than another? Is War supposed to be a Drk upgrade? Or?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    I'm highlighting why that is not a valid argument. I can use even larger exaggerations to get my point across if you want to?
    It still stands. Why do we have a job that does everything better than another? Is War supposed to be a Drk upgrade? Or?
    Yes please do use even more extreme exaggerations.
    (4)
    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Yes please do use even more extreme exaggerations.
    Will do once you present me with counter arguments instead of pointless ridicule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    Will do once you present me with counter arguments instead of pointless ridicule.
    The differences are not big enough to be actually relevant yet you are having a meltdown before you even started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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