Delete WHM Miracle of Nature skilll asap.

[Llynethil]

It's a self defense ability. You would need to replace it with a self defense ability of equal value.

That said, I wouldn't mind a high damage skill considering that healers have pretty garbage damage.

It isn't, it's an offensive skill 90% of time, you use it and kill them while they cannot do anything about it and you have the tools to survive the shorter range easily unlike bard who just dies when one person notices them.

And considering the lb whm has ontop of it, they don't deserve any potency buffs at all in their current state, they're one of the top jobs in pvp right now, they need 0 buffs.

I'll be fine with them extending the range to 15 or even 20y if they make purify work on it, but that's it.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Are people here seriously coping and thinking WHM needs an uncleansable hard Silence/Interrupt and justify the existence of this crap because it got nerfed before? When they also got the stunning deathray LB that is Afflatus: Purgation?

My brothers and sisters in christ, it can be turned into a normal 2s Silence with 15y range without issue, in fact if ppl were worried that WHM would end up too weak it could receive compensation buffs.

Uncleansable, unimmunable hard CC is generally a Limit Break thing and should NOT appear on a normal ability.

[Valence]

No, it's been nerfed enough and it's fine and good that jobs have powerful non-LB abilities you have to play around. It rewards players who are capable of adapting to the matchup.

The problem is that you cannot play around MoM. If you have the misfortune, especially at high level, to be the target of that crap especially during an opener (but not only), the enemy team has all leeway to burst you down with you unable to do anything about it, purify or no purify, and full MP or no MP remaining.

The tradeoff for Miracle being strong is range limitation for its single target usage & lack of damage. Unlike CC that binds/stuns/freezes (with the latter two preventing any action at all), You get to move freely during imp.

I'll take MoM over any other kind of crowd control (LBs excepted). No question there, it's just a thousand levels above in effectiveness and lacks of counter. The only thing that will save you from it is that it's not always easy to coordinate when paired with randoms, so the WhM may use it and your team not follow well on it... but if they do follow, you're just screwed. On top of it, the WhM doesnt even always need a team to actually burst down people, if they just MoM the target, Afflatus the target, then Stun Purgation/kill the target (and that's where it becomes truly vicious, because the target cannot cleanse MoM, then it doesn't apply any cc immunity buff which leaves you vulnerable to another cc immediately).

Likewise, Miracle can be guarded against, like all non-LB CC. The most comparable case would then be to look at CC that doesn't stop movement but can still be purified, like Silence.

Silence can be purified, that's not even remotely comparable. Guarding against crowd control is a fallacious argument since you cannot reliably guard against instant abilities that can come at any time (else good luck wasting your guards on nothing as the WhM can just shift their MoM on someone else when they see your shiny blue shield anyway, or they can just wait 5s until your guard is done and imp the crap out of you anyway).

And it's not like soft cc effects like bind, heavy or half asleep that can be cleansed by guarding since those cc effects don't prevent the use of abilities. MoM does to add insult to injury. I would actually not mind a MoM that is unpurifiable as today, but that can be guarded through after application (leaving you as an imp but guarding).

Miracle actually has a worse range (10y) and doesn't have a bonus benefit of having extra damage proc in its skillset (BRD's Silent Nocturne proc Pitch Perfect, which gives both an instant cast + feeds into Empyrean Arrow). This means WHM has to be even closer than mid-range and enter melee range as a caster.

WhM has strong mitigation tools on top of potent additional heals that any flimsy caster utterly lacks, and let's not talk about BRD. There is a reason regen healers are very good at tanking and holding points. WhM can definitely afford to jump into the fray as long as they don't leroy (most classes shouldn't leroyy anyway).

For Miracle to not be a unique effect debuff and just turn into a silence, it would have to give a lot more advantages comparable to other jobs, ex: much higher increased damage, be an aoe CC, or debuff enemies. All while having a lowered cd (25 sec -> 20 sec at minimum).

I do agree with this.

[Sinstrel]

Miracle of Nature can also be used to negate or even outright cancel an opponents limit break, mid limit break. An example of this is instant miracle on a RDM casting LB and canceling the second half of the pulse. Browsing through the forums you can see many other examples of this due to the server tick rate in PvP where people get miracled as soon as they press their LB, lose the LB charge but nothing happens because they are transformed into a piglet instantly.

[Remish]

Miracle of Nature needs to be removed from the game and I will die on that hill. It wouldn't be so bad if WHM wasn't so aggressively used by bot players to cancel limit breaks of every caliber.

[Boys]

I love the cheese, but everyone want a cheese as good and then nobody gets a cheese.

[Boys]

Or imagine if it made a target impervious to damage for the duration XD And you still have your "defensive" ability.

[Ransu]

It doesn't need to be removed, but you should be able to purify it and it needs to stop going through buffs that are supposed to have short periods of immunity to CC.

No, it's been nerfed enough and it's fine and good that jobs have powerful non-LB abilities you have to play around. It rewards players who are capable of adapting to the matchup.

Its still hands down the strongest CC in the game...

[AtomicBomb]

Miracle of Nature can also be used to negate or even outright cancel an opponents limit break, mid limit break. An example of this is instant miracle on a RDM casting LB and canceling the second half of the pulse. Browsing through the forums you can see many other examples of this due to the server tick rate in PvP where people get miracled as soon as they press their LB, lose the LB charge but nothing happens because they are transformed into a piglet instantly.

Is this true? I'd like to see a clip. As soon as the other players' client becomes aware that a LB has been cast, it's already snapshotted and too late to stop it, even on LBs with a very long delay in damage like Megaflare.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Is this true? I'd like to see a clip. As soon as the other players' client becomes aware that a LB has been cast, it's already snapshotted and too late to stop it, even on LBs with a very long delay in damage like Megaflare.

This is definitely true. While I don't have footage available, I did lose SAM Zantetsuken kills from this (it simply didnt happen anymore) as well as losing the up-to 24000dmg cleave from Eventide. It requires very strict timing which is mostly achievable by... running a combat script. Which they will do as soon as the server received the info that you pressed that button.

As you can tell, this BS is induced more by ppl cheating but is existent