Reworking Restorative Potions + Tank abilities

[ThorinG]

Potions (such as Hi-potions, Ether, ..etc.) see little to no use in FF14 unlike other FF games, i've been thinking, why not rework them to have them replace restorative abilities ( second wind, lucid dreaming) with a 20 sec cd per use, some limitations can also be placed on how many can be equipped, let them also be used by all jobs while greatly reducing self-sustain abilities currently present (on Tanks specifically).

Speaking of Tanks, why not give them some crowd control status effects and make them associated with their aoe abilities on 30 sec cd, for example (PLD:SoC. & GNB:BowShk. = blind effect for a short duration) , (WAR: Orog. & DRK:AbysDr. = Pacification effect for a "shorter" duration).

[Mosha]

Potions (such as Hi-potions, Ether, ..etc.) see little to no use in FF14 unlike other FF games, i've been thinking, why not rework them to have them replace restorative abilities ( second wind, lucid dreaming) with a 20 sec cd per use, some limitations can also be placed on how many can be equipped, let them also be used by all jobs while greatly reducing self-sustain abilities currently present (on Tanks specifically).

Speaking of Tanks, why not give them some crowd control status effects and make them associated with their aoe abilities on 30 sec cd, for example (PLD:SoC. & GNB:BowShk. = blind effect for a short duration) , (WAR: Orog. & DRK:AbysDr. = Pacification effect for a "shorter" duration).

HP pots and ether pots have their uses if you know when to use them.

[Shougun]

If they did that I'd prefer bottomless potions, or tying it to the repair system (and dark matter + alchemist can replenish the durability). Limit per battle rather than content (5 bottles or something, 2 extra for bosses, and further if echo tiers are reached).

If it wasn't streamlined into a system like that I'd probably stretch each potion to the limit as I generally do not like generic consumables as a whole (Souls like systems are okay). Also if it wasn't forced into a system like that I can only imagine the joy of getting a mana-less healer or floor tank lol.

That said I don't know if weaker sustain would have a net positive impact given our community predilection and how deep we are... still think the easiest bet for healers is just to give up the healers must primarily be heal responsible and give them a bunch of support and combat skills based on theme (offensive and defensive).

Paladin used to have pacification and blind CC. I don't miss flash lol, but more diverse flavor tools would be neat.

[Jeeqbit]

Potions (such as Hi-potions, Ether, ..etc.) see little to no use in FF14 unlike other FF games

Palace of the Dead, Heaven-on-High, Eureka Orthos. They are also useful when a healer is dead or there is no healer, especially at lower levels where they are more effective and tanks have less self-heals. A good emergency button when there isn't a healer.

I found them useful when doing no-healer runs of dungeons at lower levels especially.

i've been thinking, why not rework them to have them replace restorative abilities ( second wind, lucid dreaming) with a 20 sec cd per use, some limitations can also be placed on how many can be equipped, let them also be used by all jobs while greatly reducing self-sustain abilities currently present (on Tanks specifically).

The main issue is that you can't even consider using them in raids because you are probably using tinctures.

Speaking of Tanks, why not give them some crowd control status effects and make them associated with their aoe abilities on 30 sec cd, for example (PLD:SoC. & GNB:BowShk. = blind effect for a short duration) , (WAR: Orog. & DRK:AbysDr. = Pacification effect for a "shorter" duration).

PLD used to have blind on Flash and Pacification on Shield Swipe. Nobody really noticed or cared about these effects, to the point SE just got rid of them. The only thing people notice most of the time in this game is whether something does damage.

[Hasrat]

Potions (such as Hi-potions, Ether, ..etc.) see little to no use in FF14 unlike other FF games

Other FF games aren't MMOs. There are limitations to what will translate and what won't.

[Deceptus]

HP pots and ether pots have their uses if you know when to use them.

100% this. Synced down to 50 or below? An HQ Max potion is essentially an extra tank CD on a 1m CD. 30% hp every minute is ridiculously good.

Max lvl? The new HQ potion heals for MORE than Second Wind does with half the CD.

Max Ethers can routinely be used by BLM in dungeons to get an extra flare off.

[Oizen]

Excuse me, Orthos hyper potions are basically DRK's only self sustain tool. I need them.

[Simple_Barghest]

The only thing people notice most of the time in this game is whether something does damage.

Say it louder for the people in the back.

[Deceptus]

Excuse me, Orthos hyper potions are basically DRK's only self sustain tool. I need them.

Carve & Spit needs decoupled from Abyssal Drain and C&S needs a healing component.

[Absurdity]

The main issue is that you can't even consider using them in raids because you are probably using tinctures.

There is also the fact that they're extremely clunky to use due to their extended animation lock.

Weaving a healing potion every 20 seconds would probably drive me insane.