Silver Icons in treasure dungeons feel way too rare.

[Sililos]

Did some maths tonight because i got frustrated by not being able to get the 2 minions.

For those that dont know, in Ophiotaurus Treasure maps dungeons, if you hit the Silver you get 50/100k gil+ can roll on one of two minions.
I have been trying to get them since their launch on Jan 10th but in all that time have only seen the Silver Icon 3 times, way too stupidly rare to lock a collectable or two behind.

So heres some maths on my experiences. Im rounding down most me results to the average since i haven't kept exact numbers.

1: I have consistently run 2 groups of 8 players a week with 3+ maps each without fail.
Its been 20 weeks and 3 days as of this post since the maps patch dropped.
3x8=24, 24x2= 48 maps a week and that's rounding down to the 'minimum possible' under those conditions.
48x20= 960+ maps run since their launch.

2: Treasure dungeons i note as having about 2 portals per 3 maps. I may be wrong on my maths here, I want to say 640+ treasure dungeons give or take.

3: Each Treasure dungeon average's 3 spins, in my experience leaning towards 4 spins but rarely 5 or 1 and 2.so that's 1920+ Spins of the Treasure wheel.

So in 1920 spins, only 3! have hit the Silver Icon that drops the minion. This gives the same gil as the gold ! icon which we strike 2-3+ times a night and the gold also gives cloth, fashion and mount items.
For 2 minions there is next to no chance of getting and put it on OCE with its low pop? Nobody posts them on the market board and the price never drops for those that do go up (27 mil each last check)

Seriously SE, up the rate on Silver please at least to the same as the gold !, They are minions, Not game breaking super weapons/armor.

I dread to think how long its going to take me to get the Stormbloods Thiefs map title, that requires getting to room 7 of the rare Thiefs maps 20 times, i have run nearly 100 now and not once seen past room 3, last time i looked at FF collect, it claimed only 0.010% of players have it.

Im of the belief that if someone puts the work in, they should be rewarded for what they were working for, RNG and probability mean someone can work at it every day for the rest of the games life and never accomplish their goal.

[MaxCarnage]

I am of the firm belief that it is impossible to get passed round 3.

I have done hundreds of maps and have never gotten passed round 3. Anyone who says they have is cheating.

[Saraide]

Treasure dungeons being primarily gated by rng you have no control over is why i dont like that content.

[Izar_Chillen]

Treasure dungeons being primarily gated by rng you have no control over is why i dont like that content.

Agreed. They are a fun FC map event you can do in an evening once you gather/buy a bunch and its such a bummer when the first or second gate fails. They should rework it so that the only later gates where the "riches" are have that 50/50 door mechanic or maybe add some fun "stand on floor button/shape in a sequence" type activation puzzle to open it instead. Maybe use that mini game in post ShB MSQ where you have to flip 2 similar cards to rescue your npc party in that temple

[ServerCollaps]

the silver thing cant happen on spin 1 or 5, its exclusive to spins 2-4. I got 5 or 6 in about 1000 maps portals

also the odds of reaching spin 4 are about 20% per map, I doubt that anyone did hundreds without getting there. You should play lottery then

[StouterTaru]

It's never just 1 spin; if your first spin lands on an Atamos he gets zapped every time

I'm not sure about the 2/3 chance at portal, but Ophio maps have seemed to have a better portal rate than past maps. All previous maps were roughly 50% chance at portal, except the ones with 100% chance. The longest no-portal streak I've had with Ophios is like 6 or 7, I've gone 10+ in a row without portal several times with previous maps

My experience is you're at least 10 times as likely to get a full clear as you are to get a silver roll, I've personally seen more 4x and 5x bonus boss chests than silver rolls

It's nice having some things ultra-rare, especially when they can sell on the marketboard

[DixieBellOCE]

the silver thing cant happen on spin 1 or 5, its exclusive to spins 2-4. I got 5 or 6 in about 1000 maps portals

also the odds of reaching spin 4 are about 20% per map, I doubt that anyone did hundreds without getting there. You should play lottery then

can confirm this as complete bs.

We got the hydaelyn symbol in ophiotaur maps on the first spin.

[Iscah]

Whether it's impossible or exceedingly rare to get silver on the first roll, I suspect that the dial is "rigged" and not an even chance of all twelve possibilities coming up.

[DrWho2010]

lol - i don't like it cuz it doesn't give me what i want right away so i don't play it. these things are designed to be played over the lifetime of the whole service of the game. the rng is so high to prevent a glut of the rare things going too fast

[Khryseis_Astra]

I’ve probably done over 50 of these maps at this point… I have never seen silver once!