Obvious gil farming, or FC house reselling

[Archeron]

Lets be honest, if you visit the FC wards theres a remarkable number of undecorated small/medium houses owned by FC's with maybe 2 people in them at most. It's obvious what they're using them for, and its not for the enjoyment of owning a house. They're either passively farming gil on their 8x FC houses per world, or holding onto them for resale.

The question is, why isn't it harder for an FC to get a house? Under the current system its harder to farm the gil, rather than unlock the privelege of buying housing on behalf of the FC. At least with personal houses its locked to one per DC, per account.

[Jojoya]

Lets be honest, if you visit the FC wards theres a remarkable number of undecorated small/medium houses owned by FC's with maybe 2 people in them at most. It's obvious what they're using them for, and its not for the enjoyment of owning a house. They're either passively farming gil on their 8x FC houses per world, or holding onto them for resale.

The question is, why isn't it harder for an FC to get a house? Under the current system its harder to farm the gil, rather than unlock the privelege of buying housing on behalf of the FC. At least with personal houses its locked to one per DC, per account.

Because anything done to make it harder to acquire a house by those who abuse the system will make it even harder for legitimate players and FC to get a house.

There is always some way to get around a system and those who are purchasing multiple plots generally have more resources to use.

[Archeron]

Make it harder. If your FC lets say...
Has GC Rank 20 (Easily achievable with multiple people in your FC.)
Has more than 3-4 Unique accounts.
Has existed for the existing 30 day requirement
Has an FC Master who does not have another character, which is currently an FC master of a free company that already owns a house on the data centre.

I don't feel like this would be an unfair requirement whatsoever. The only people who would be upset would be the fake "Solo FC's" that are an excuse for people to own multiple houses or to farm submarines on 8 characters. Very few, if any people are FC masters across multiple data centers.

[Jojoya]

Make it harder. If your FC lets say...
Has GC Rank 20 (Easily achievable with multiple people in your FC.)
Has more than 3-4 Unique accounts.
Has existed for the existing 30 day requirement
Has an FC Master who does not have another character, which is currently an FC master of a free company that already owns a house on the data centre.

I don't feel like this would be an unfair requirement whatsoever. The only people who would be upset would be the fake "Solo FC's" that are an excuse for people to own multiple houses or to farm submarines on 8 characters. Very few, if any people are FC masters across multiple data centers.

Rank 20 easily achievable if you have gil. Not easily achievable for players in small FCs (4-8 players) who don't have gil to waste.

4 unique accounts is only $60/mo. Plenty of players spend more than that each week eating out and don't think twice about it. Someone who wants multiple houses wouldn't think twice about it either.

30 days is not a long period of time. It's not a deterrent.

Your last would be a sticking point but it would also have the potential to cause issues for legitimate FCs that have members that are running FCs on different worlds for different social groups. For all that many players think "gee, it would be great to run my own FC", the majority either aren't good at or don't enjoy running them. That leaves some players in the position of being master for multiple FCs for their various social groups. Even if the number is not large, why should any of those FCs have to give up their house just to have a competent leader?

If you really want the problem to be solved, SE needs to address the reasons why players interact with the housing system as they do. If workshops weren't attached to houses, there would be no reason to buy multiple houses to get more workshops. If every player could get multiple houses, there would be no reason for those who use housing as a prestige flex to buy multiple. If every player could get the location and size of their choice without problem, RMT would find no profit in housing.

[Reinha]

They are not for resale because there are still houses available in fc wards that one can buy directly without paying extra to a reseller.

They are for gil making. And why is that a problem? There are still houses available in fc wards. They aren't taking anything away from anyone if they own an undecorated fc cottage.

Another one of those threads where people use their imagination to be a busybody instead of being creative with their own house.

[Archeron]

They are not for resale because there are still houses available in fc wards that one can buy directly without paying extra to a reseller.

They are for gil making. And why is that a problem? There are still houses available in fc wards. They aren't taking anything away from anyone if they own an undecorated fc cottage.

Another one of those threads where people use their imagination to be a busybody instead of being creative with their own house.

What fantasy world are you living in? Do you seriously think that people aren't laundering Medium/Large houses still? Theres plenty of discord servers actively advertising such sales. Just because houses are still available on some servers. doesn't give them the right to take houses on populated servers that they have zero intentions of using.

Oh and if you're going to throw shade at me, you'd better be willing to put your "imagination" where your mouth is, and show your housing off since you seem so inclined to accuse my projects of not having any.

Rank 20 easily achievable if you have gil. Not easily achievable for players in small FCs (4-8 players) who don't have gil to waste.

4 unique accounts is only $60/mo. Plenty of players spend more than that each week eating out and don't think twice about it. Someone who wants multiple houses wouldn't think twice about it either.

30 days is not a long period of time. It's not a deterrent.

Your last would be a sticking point but it would also have the potential to cause issues for legitimate FCs that have members that are running FCs on different worlds for different social groups. For all that many players think "gee, it would be great to run my own FC", the majority either aren't good at or don't enjoy running them. That leaves some players in the position of being master for multiple FCs for their various social groups. Even if the number is not large, why should any of those FCs have to give up their house just to have a competent leader?

If you really want the problem to be solved, SE needs to address the reasons why players interact with the housing system as they do. If workshops weren't attached to houses, there would be no reason to buy multiple houses to get more workshops. If every player could get multiple houses, there would be no reason for those who use housing as a prestige flex to buy multiple. If every player could get the location and size of their choice without problem, RMT would find no profit in housing.

Just how many people do you know who are masters of multiple FC's? Are they providing adequate leadership to the FC's they are in control of on their alts? It's such a small minority of people that I wouldn't care. Most of the genuine multi FC owners I know own dead FC's just for the house which they do not use. $60/mo is more of a deterrent than $0/mo extra it costs them to have 8x more houses. Most people I know Wouldn't be able to afford that.

Also why does gil have anything to do with FC rank 20? All you have to do is earn company seals. My FC on Maduin achieved rank 20 with 4 people in not even 5 days. Try doing that solo, 8 times over. That would be an absurd grind just so you could buy more houses.

While I do agree that housing should be accessible for the majority of people who desire it, I think it would be an easy measure to place more restrictions on FC's that would make housing easily obtainable by real FC's, and make it far harder for solo FC's to purchase themselves a second house, or to poach mediums/larges for resale.

[Yodada]

Also why does gil have anything to do with FC rank 20? All you have to do is earn company seals. My FC on Maduin achieved rank 20 with 4 people in not even 5 days. Try doing that solo, 8 times over. That would be an absurd grind just so you could buy more houses.

A lot. It only shows that you have no clue what you are talking about if you dont know how to simply buy FC Ranks as a Solo Player. And how easy Rank 20 would be to bypass as a requirement.

[Jojoya]

Also why does gil have anything to do with FC rank 20? All you have to do is earn company seals. My FC on Maduin achieved rank 20 with 4 people in not even 5 days. Try doing that solo, 8 times over. That would be an absurd grind just so you could buy more houses.

The easiest way to earn company seals is to turn in Expert Deliveries - and those include items that can be purchased fairly cheap from the marketboard. I remember doing calculations last year and came up with 300k gil as the amount you'd need to spend on the marketboard to buy Rank 6 for a FC. Buying Rank 20 would probably be around 5 million gil, which is a small amount in terms of wealth in this game. I've got over 50 million gil on a level 53 character that has yet to Return to the Waking Sands but does have 2nd Lieutenant in her GC with apartment and FC room (can't get a personal house because another character on the same world already has one). Perhaps you're inspiring me to put that 50 million to the test of starting up a FC and seeing exactly how much gil I have left when I get it to rank 20.

You underestimate what people intent on purchasing multiple houses will do to get them. You also underestimate the income available to most online gamers if you think no one can afford $60/mo for games (start polling other players and you'd find out most are already paying more than that per month on games, especially if they play the gacha games).

FCs are also the minority of plot owners, even including the players who own multiple FCs. Others have collected data from the game's API and came up with numbers that indicate only about 3-4% of plots are owned by FCs with less than 4 members (the size mostly likely to be used for sub farms or reselling). Additional restrictions are not going to make a substantial dent in the problem.

I don't know if you're new to the game or new to the forums but you seem to have little experience with gamers and what they're willing to do to get what they want. I don't care how many restrictions you place on getting something but those who want it enough will find a way to get it.

"Rich people exist, so lets not try posing a solution to a problem."

Your solution doesn't solve the problem. It just throws up obstacles that ordinary players will find harder to overcome than those who abuse the system will.

[Rinoa_353]

The easiest way to earn company seals is to turn in Expert Deliveries - and those include items that can be purchased fairly cheap from the marketboard. I remember doing calculations last year and came up with 300k gil as the amount you'd need to spend on the marketboard to buy Rank 6 for a FC. Buying Rank 20 would probably be around 5 million gil, which is a small amount in terms of wealth in this game. I've got over 50 million gil on a level 53 character that has yet to Return to the Waking Sands but does have 2nd Lieutenant in her GC with apartment and FC room (can't get a personal house because another character on the same world already has one). Perhaps you're inspiring me to put that 50 million to the test of starting up a FC and seeing exactly how much gil I have left when I get it to rank 20.

You underestimate what people intent on purchasing multiple houses will do to get them. You also underestimate the income available to most online gamers if you think no one can afford $60/mo for games (start polling other players and you'd find out most are already paying more than that per month on games, especially if they play the gacha games).

FCs are also the minority of plot owners, even including the players who own multiple FCs. Others have collected data from the game's API and came up with numbers that indicate only about 3-4% of plots are owned by FCs with less than 4 members (the size mostly likely to be used for sub farms or reselling). Additional restrictions are not going to make a substantial dent in the problem.

I don't know if you're new to the game or new to the forums but you seem to have little experience with gamers and what they're willing to do to get what they want. I don't care how many restrictions you place on getting something but those who want it enough will find a way to get it.


Your solution doesn't solve the problem. It just throws up obstacles that ordinary players will find harder to overcome than those who abuse the system will.

I agree with this, in the span of three months, I became an omnicrafter selling raid food, glam, housing stuff like wooden lofts and such and I made enough legit gil to purchase a personal mansion in Goblet and a medium for my FC in LB when I used to struggle to make a million gil a week when I used to be on Exodus prior moving to Seraph. Then when I created my FC on Seraph for my alts to all share, I reached FC rank 6 in a matter of minutes buying mats to craft to turn in for Expert Deliveries and also using Poetics to buy lv 80 rings in Eulmore to turn in as well. The biggest obstacle was waiting the 30 days and I failed to get a FC large because I created my FC a day too late to enter the first lotto period of Seraph for FC, so I lost the lottos from the remaining larges that lasted till the third cycle of the lotto and then grabbed a medium and I did it solo too.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Your solution doesn't solve the problem. It just throws up obstacles that ordinary players will find harder to overcome than those who abuse the system will.

And on top of this, people on these forums have been wracking their brains trying to figure out this problem for years. And so has SE. You're not going to come in here and suggest anything that we haven't already gone over the merits and pitfalls of at least half a dozen times.