Non-binary gender needs to be added to character customization

[Narissa]

This thread has derailed like so hard into a flame war, am surprised it hasn't been removed/deleted yet.

I honestly dont think SE will ever fully go through with this sorry, with the way its going in the media and with creeps/pe**** (censoring this word for the kids!) 'transitioning' to women to enter ladies/girls bathrooms/locker-rooms freely... to well you know.. its not going well and actual transgendered women are as a result getting ALOT of backlash.

And as for the 'identifying as' .. young children in schools are getting so confused by the whole media flush, that they're claiming to be animals and wanting to be treated/feed as such...

So ya.. its a big media mess and I doubt SE will want to go near that xD But GL!

[DiaDeem]

I honestly dont think SE will ever fully go through with this

It's already a thing in Harvestella's character creator though. You can chose whatever pronouns you want, they/them included.

I don't get why people make much of a big deal of this being an option on anything really. More options = more personalization, and that's always good.

[Theodric]

It's already a thing in Harvestella's character creator though. You can chose whatever pronouns you want, they/them included.

I don't get why people make much of a big deal of this being an option on anything really. More options = more personalization, and that's always good.

A lot of people make a big deal about it - quite rightly - because it often doesn't equal 'more options'.

Last I checked, you can't create a masculine looking character in Harvestella. It was a common criticism of the game during the marketing phase, as I recall.

Even when accounting for FFXIV, I've often found myself left wanting given the disproportionate amount of focus placed on androgynous and feminine hairstyles/outfits as opposed to traditionally masculine ones.

[DiaDeem]

A lot of people make a big deal about it - quite rightly - because it often doesn't equal 'more options'.

Last I checked, you can't create a masculine looking character in Harvestella. It was a common criticism of the game during the marketing phase, as I recall.

Even when accounting for FFXIV, I've often found myself left wanting given the disproportionate amount of focus placed on androgynous and feminine hairstyles/outfits as opposed to traditionally masculine ones.

It definitely is more options. Usually you can only be he/she, and "they" is an added option. There's no reasonable argument to want less options in any character creator. My argument wasn't even about Harvestella "doing it right" or whatever. I merely pointed out that SE has done the pronoun thing before. Want more masculine options? Good, me too. More options is always better. I'm still waiting for the XIV guys to get some REAL proper beard options. Can think of anything else? Because it probably should be added too.

More options, always.

[DPZ2]

Even when accounting for FFXIV, I've often found myself left wanting given the disproportionate amount of focus placed on androgynous and feminine hairstyles/outfits as opposed to traditionally masculine ones.

I found this puzzling, as "traditionally masculine" is so ill-defined at the best of times. "Tradition" is almost entirely cultural, regional, and temporal. And cyclical.

Theodric's avatar, Matthieu, fits in nicely within the 21st century United States yet would have been decidedly derided in mid-20th century United States.

How far back must one go to invoke tradition, and in whose context? Rather than invoke "traditionally masculine" when expressing desires for changes in looks, it is best to be specific about the desired changes and preferences.

Personally, I'd like long hair in-game to not be spoiled by collisions with clothing (I know that's a common complaint here). More facial hair choices for males would be good ... full beards, mustaches that don't look like thin lines, and goatees that are well shaped. Perhaps a contest for artists to provide some feedback about styles that meet approval.