r/ffxivdiscussion: What can Square Enix do to help fix the terrible netcode of FFXIV?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

I've seen entire threads on reddit about nothing other than the irony of just how massive and robust this games mod community is...for a game that technically doesn't allow so much as chat bubbles. It's mindblowing.

I dont agree the SE is falling apart at the seams though lol.

[Mosha]

I couldn't agree with you more. I've seen entire threads on reddit about nothing other than the irony of just how massive and robust this games mod community is...for a game that technically doesn't allow so much as chat bubbles. It's mindblowing.

There is a plugin that allows you to click a button on a website and it will automatically download and install the mod during runtime lmao. It's crazy how developed modding FFXIV is these days.

Turning off the game to install a mod isn't part of the optimal rotation it seems.

[Saraide]

People won’t care until they look at the past ten years they’ve wasted in this laggy cesspit and realize they’ve gained nothing of value.

Talking from personal experience?

[dspguy]

Some of this is simply physics.

Ever talk to someone on a cell phone who is standing a few feet away from you? They'll hear your actual voice before hey hear it through the earpiece.
Or sent a google chat message to a computer within your sight? You can see the delay between when you hit enter and when the message pops up on their screen.

You aren't communicating from phone to phone or computer to computer. You are communicating through a series of networks, nodes, channels, etc. Not only is there network delay of the physical hardware but also the propagation delay across the physical wire that is carrying your "jump command" from you to the FFXIV server and then out to all of the players that are within sight of your character. Not counting for bends in the wire (since it isn't a straight shot) and where a player is located in, for example, North America - you have upwards of 40ms of ping just to propagate the signal to/from your location. That's before we even talk about having to process the data.

This is mostly a physics problem. And considering that other multi-billion dollar corporations haven't made comms much better than what we see in this game, I wouldn't judge SE too harshly.

[Mosha]

Some of this is simply physics.

Ever talk to someone on a cell phone who is standing a few feet away from you? They'll hear your actual voice before hey hear it through the earpiece.
Or sent a google chat message to a computer within your sight? You can see the delay between when you hit enter and when the message pops up on their screen.

You aren't communicating from phone to phone or computer to computer. You are communicating through a series of networks, nodes, channels, etc. Not only is there network delay of the physical hardware but also the propagation delay across the physical wire that is carrying your "jump command" from you to the FFXIV server and then out to all of the players that are within sight of your character. Not counting for bends in the wire (since it isn't a straight shot) and where a player is located in, for example, North America - you have upwards of 40ms of ping just to propagate the signal to/from your location. That's before we even talk about having to process the data.

This is mostly a physics problem. And considering that other multi-billion dollar corporations haven't made comms much better than what we see in this game, I wouldn't judge SE too harshly.

But the internet is a series of tubes.....

[Xaruko_Nexume]

But the internet is a series of tubes.....

Right, you can't just dump on it like a truck.

[Sir_Tonberry]

I mean, hiring new devs and adding more voice acting than before is definitely not investing at all in the game. You know, the most expensive parts of game development.


But OK. Its way easy to just fix all these underlying engine issues.

Off topic but I think your character is very cute. 10/10

[R041]

Some of this is simply physics.

Ever talk to someone on a cell phone who is standing a few feet away from you? They'll hear your actual voice before hey hear it through the earpiece.
Or sent a google chat message to a computer within your sight? You can see the delay between when you hit enter and when the message pops up on their screen.

You aren't communicating from phone to phone or computer to computer. You are communicating through a series of networks, nodes, channels, etc. Not only is there network delay of the physical hardware but also the propagation delay across the physical wire that is carrying your "jump command" from you to the FFXIV server and then out to all of the players that are within sight of your character. Not counting for bends in the wire (since it isn't a straight shot) and where a player is located in, for example, North America - you have upwards of 40ms of ping just to propagate the signal to/from your location. That's before we even talk about having to process the data.

This is mostly a physics problem. And considering that other multi-billion dollar corporations haven't made comms much better than what we see in this game, I wouldn't judge SE too harshly.

You could fool players if XIV was the only MMO / Online Game on the market with your bullshit.

But it ain't.


Edit: I'm just tired of people gaslighting others by having just enough knowledge to be influential and dangerous, but not enough to understand that the majority of the issues are by design and things like latency are a variable, not the constant. Once you take out the variable, the issues still exist. In other words, they're inconsequential half-truths.

[Boblawblah]

Off topic but I think your character is very cute. 10/10

[caffe_macchiato]

Talking from personal experience?

FFXIV just simply doesn’t seem to have the lasting cultural impact that World of Warcraft had. Even 20 years later, WoW is a titan in the industry. Many look back on their formative years spent entirely in Azeroth rather fondly. Imagine skipping all the traditional rites of passage, like going to parties, getting laid, etc. for a video game—and not regretting it. It takes a very good-quality product to have that effect on people.

Would people say the same for FFXIV? Probably not. The gameplay doesn’t have the same addictive staying power. Content is burned through quickly. Combat is the opposite of addictive—it’s slow, turgid, and clunky. The perfect word to describe raiding in FFXIV is janky. It’s awkward and uncomfortable. It lingers like the aftertaste of aftermarket diet soda when compared to the real thing.

Suffice to say, people make their memories in FFXIV doing anything but what the developers sanction—including modding, ERP, and drama culture. Anything to avoid the actual gameplay. Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it as this game’s predecessors, does it?

Where’s our South Park episode?