r/ffxivdiscussion: What can Square Enix do to help fix the terrible netcode of FFXIV?

[TheNight]

I’ve just about filled out my games forum bs whining bingo card.

“muh bad netcode” ✅

go back to doing the msq

[Semirhage]

They'll never fix it because simps will defend the bad netcode. There are people who will unironically tell you to your face that this game is the most responsive MMO on the market.

Some people like the current netcode. It's really well-designed and fun to me. Why don't you just unsub and stop playing this game you mean hater. Square has so many things on their plate. If you improve the netcode you might alienate a 90-year-old quadriplegic Congolese grandfather because the cruel toxic community might eject him from Party Findering Aetherfont, the most difficult dungeon ever.

Why do you hate poor indie developers? Leave the netcode alone. Some people ENJOY it.

[Sebazy]

FFXIV is still using netcode from 2001. Yes, it uses FFXI's netcode where the server has to ping the user before anything happens in the game. This is why there's no real private servers out there, everything has to be approved in the server itself before you see it happen on your screen. It's a server-side game.

Client-sided games are more direct; what you do on your screen happens immediately and then gets approved by the server; this lowers delay because you can keep sending data over.

I think you're misunderstanding how client/server games work, not to mention massively underestimating just how much client trust FFXIV has put in the player over the years.

Back in ARR it was possible to tell the server you levelled up through handins and such. And no, I'm not even kidding, go dig around and you'll find videos of RMT bots quite literally levelling themselves up multiple levels nigh instantly whilst merrily stood around in town.

Suggesting that everything has to be approved via the server is also wildly missing the mark, have you missed all the RMT teleporting around usually under the world? Go stand by the Uldah Aetherite and you'll generally get a bit of a rude awakening, if you don't see any activity there, again go look on YouTube. Countless examples.

IMHO the issue at the core of FFXIV's netcode is as I've said many times, it boils down to cost savings on SE's part. A slow tick and update rate to keep server and connectivity costs as low as possible. SE have history here and they've always done their best in MMOs to reduce server costs wherever they can get away with it.

[AwesomeJr44]

If you improve the netcode you might alienate a 90-year-old quadriplegic Congolese grandfather because the cruel toxic community might eject him from Party Findering Aetherfont, the most difficult dungeon ever.

Good.

/10char

[Swordsman]

Gonna necro this post because I feel that it's relevant to the release of the latest patch: The Fall Guys Collab.

Just some examples of the excellent netcode we're working with here. It's like 2.0 Titan all over again.

Keep posting these. Let the devs understand that this type of gameplay doesn't work with the current backend systems.

https://i.imgur.com/XhEvZJX.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/RrJvV1o.mp4

[Morphiana]

It's time they fix their netcode. Enough is enough. The game is incredibly popular, is now SE's crown jewel, and there is no excuse for this anymore. They are no longer the little guy or underdog and this has been a real problem for a long time. If any other MMO had this issue people wouldn't have let it go this long.

[Arzalis]

The first step to fixing a problem is admitting there is a problem.

Unfortunately, SE adamantly insists there is no problem when this is mentioned. So I doubt this will be fixed anytime soon.

[xbahax92]

Dont worry, its going to be fixed as a key feature for the next expansion. Need a good selling point for 8.0, right?

[Kranel_San]

Dont worry, its going to be fixed as a key feature for the next expansion. Need a good selling point for 8.0, right?

With a focus on unnecessary details like: "Oh look how a less 0.00001 sec delay in response will do to your gameplay!" instead of focusing on making it better.

[Takamorisan]

It's time they fix their netcode. Enough is enough. The game is incredibly popular, is now SE's crown jewel, and there is no excuse for this anymore. They are no longer the little guy or underdog and this has been a real problem for a long time. If any other MMO had this issue people wouldn't have let it go this long.

FFXIV been carrying SE on the back for a while now, but yet they refuse to invest in this product with new engine so devs can finally implement stuff that this old a** engine don't allow, hire more devs to add more content per expansion and so on. They prefer to torch money with NFTs and idiotic game ideas where have been done for the last 10 years expecting somehow to bring massive profits.