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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    SE isn't opening the last 6 wards on any world designated as New for now. They're waiting for the existing population to fill up all available housing and most of the New worlds still have a lot of smalls available. They don't see demand for medium and large plots as sufficient reason to open new wards.
    This is the reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Everyone has different opinions. It's usually not a good thing to assume that everyone shares yours.

    Regardless, as long as there are several plots available to both FCs and individuals on Dynamis then SE will not be opening the remaining wards. If Dynamis players that do not have a house want to get one, they are better off getting what's available rather than holding out for something better. Once what is available is mostly full, then SE will open the remaining wards so they'll have a chance to get something better.
    In one far corner of my mind, I have a feeling SE will announce 7.0 alongside XBOX joining the fray and the new wards would open when 7.0 launches and XBOX players join us. Dymanis is ripe to handle XBOX players joining when the other four worlds have yet to open. I would not be surprised if SE let XBOX announce 7.0 along with XBOX joining at the Fanfest where Phil Spencer (head of XBOX division at MS) joins Yoshi P on stage to announce XBOX will be joining the game.
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    It would be a temporary boost to the games population, but I'm unsure if Xbox would bring enough players to fill Dynamis, and warrant both those wards opening up, and Dynamis filling out its last 4 worlds. If they wanted to play FFXIV they'd have done so on PC since the requirements to run FFXIV aren't that high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinoa_353 View Post
    In one far corner of my mind, I have a feeling SE will announce 7.0 alongside XBOX joining the fray and the new wards would open when 7.0 launches and XBOX players join us. Dymanis is ripe to handle XBOX players joining when the other four worlds have yet to open. I would not be surprised if SE let XBOX announce 7.0 along with XBOX joining at the Fanfest where Phil Spencer (head of XBOX division at MS) joins Yoshi P on stage to announce XBOX will be joining the game.
    Where are you getting the information that this will finally happen? Everything I read makes it sound like it's still copium among Xbox players that SE and Microsoft have managed to come to some sort of agreement that will make it possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    It would be a temporary boost to the games population, but I'm unsure if Xbox would bring enough players to fill Dynamis, and warrant both those wards opening up, and Dynamis filling out its last 4 worlds. If they wanted to play FFXIV they'd have done so on PC since the requirements to run FFXIV aren't that high.
    Not everyone has a PC so the last statement isn't really relevant.

    As for how many players it would bring to the game if it happened and whether they would choose to start on Dynamis? Not likely unless SE locks down character creation on all the other NA worlds for launch. Xbox players tend to be competitive and competitive players don't want to be on "dead worlds".
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    AS for the xbox players coming here, I know this is something yoshi wouldn't mind happening but unless XBOX and Sony kissed and made up after Sony attempts to stop XBOX/MS from acquiring Blizzard/Activision I would not count on it anytime in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Not everyone has a PC so the last statement isn't really relevant.

    Xbox players tend to be competitive and competitive players don't want to be on "dead worlds".
    By your own logic, your assumption also isn't really relevant. We're not living in 2006. A laptop at its cheapest could run FFXIV, and it would still be worth less than some of these new consoles that are coming out.

    Also, whats with this nonsense about Dynamis being a DC of "Dead Worlds." The whole point of being here is that you can DC travel if needed to do other forms of content. Are these supposedly "Competitive" Xbox players going to care which world they end up on? Not really. The MSQ has duty support if queues do not pop. The only thing they could conceivably miss out on is Ranked PvP. Heres another assumption for you; Xbox players being as "competitive" as we have assumed, will not waste their time on FFXIV ranked PvP, as they'll find its low quality, and not as fun as most other PvP focused games out there. So there goes any reason to dislike starting on Dynamis besides the minor annoyance of having to spend 30 seconds to DC travel.

    Dynamis is low population, and it is an OBVIOUS move for them to send all the new players they'd expect to that DC, and they wouldn't know or really care about where they started without having previously researched the game before deciding to play it. If they DID research it, they'll see that preferred worlds get a gigantic experience buff for choosing to play on them. You'd better believe they'll lock down NA servers if an influx of players is expected, as they've done in the past on pretty much every world in Primal/Aether/Crystal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    By your own logic, your assumption also isn't really relevant. We're not living in 2006. A laptop at its cheapest could run FFXIV, and it would still be worth less than some of these new consoles that are coming out.

    Also, whats with this nonsense about Dynamis being a DC of "Dead Worlds." The whole point of being here is that you can DC travel if needed to do other forms of content. Are these supposedly "Competitive" Xbox players going to care which world they end up on? Not really. The MSQ has duty support if queues do not pop. The only thing they could conceivably miss out on is Ranked PvP. Heres another assumption for you; Xbox players being as "competitive" as we have assumed, will not waste their time on FFXIV ranked PvP, as they'll find its low quality, and not as fun as most other PvP focused games out there. So there goes any reason to dislike starting on Dynamis besides the minor annoyance of having to spend 30 seconds to DC travel.

    Dynamis is low population, and it is an OBVIOUS move for them to send all the new players they'd expect to that DC, and they wouldn't know or really care about where they started without having previously researched the game before deciding to play it. If they DID research it, they'll see that preferred worlds get a gigantic experience buff for choosing to play on them. You'd better believe they'll lock down NA servers if an influx of players is expected, as they've done in the past on pretty much every world in Primal/Aether/Crystal.
    On your first point - they'd already be playing FF on their cheap laptops if they had them and wanted to be playing the game. We're not talking about how many people would buy a Xbox if FFXIV were released on it. We're talking about how many own a Xbox and would start playing FFXIV if released that aren't already playing the game on a PC. Again not everyone bothers to buy a PC, especially when it comes to games. A large number find consoles more convenient because titles are released to be playable on them as is as opposed to them trying to make their PC match system recommendations for the game. Not everyone cares about having access to mods, which tends to be the only PC advantage when a game is available on all major platforms.

    While I personally don't agree that Dynamis is dead (I have characters I actively play there myself), you're blind if you don't see that's the general reputation Dynamis has been given by the community. A large portion of the general gaming community is sensitive to reputation as if they gain or lose status based on the reputation of the game they are playing or the server they are playing on. Think about how long FFXIV lived with that "oh it's a weeb game, no real gamer would play it" reputation in the Western gaming community until WoW tanked in Shadowlands and suddenly content creators were giving it an honest try with their viewers following. The reputation given the data center by the community will impact world choice for those who care about such things. If the Road to 80 is such a strong incentive, why was it being mostly ignored by that massive WoW influx even though world visit was available at the time and initially every NA data center had at least one Preferred world available to choose? No, they wanted to be on the worlds with the 'cool kids".

    Even now, there's very strong dislike for data center travel as a way to make having a new world a character's home world despite reassurances from those of us who use it frequently. There's also the fear that data center travel may be temporarily shut down during times of congestion, as the recent Lodestone notice warned players and which is very likely to happen at 7.0 release.

    While it's an obvious move to try to funnel all new players to Dynamis for the next expansion launch, that doesn't mean SE will do it. We'll have to wait and see how they handle it when that time comes.

    It doesn't pay to discount human nature when trying to predict what decisions they will make. There are patterns that appear among different demographics and some incentives can become more attractive or less attractive when contrasted against other decisions to be made. If FFXIV ever does release a Xbox version, I wouldn't bet on the majority of Xbox players choosing Dynamis over the other data centers unless they have no other choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    you're blind if you don't see that's the general reputation Dynamis has been given by the community. A large portion of the general gaming community is sensitive to reputation as if they gain or lose status based on the reputation of the game they are playing or the server they are playing on. Think about how long FFXIV lived with that "oh it's a weeb game, no real gamer would play it" reputation in the Western gaming community until WoW tanked in Shadowlands and suddenly content creators were giving it an honest try with their viewers following. The reputation given the data center by the community will impact world choice for those who care about such things. If the Road to 80 is such a strong incentive, why was it being mostly ignored by that massive WoW influx even though world visit was available at the time and initially every NA data center had at least one Preferred world available to choose? No, they wanted to be on the worlds with the 'cool kids".

    Even now, there's very strong dislike for data center travel as a way to make having a new world a character's home world despite reassurances from those of us who use it frequently. There's also the fear that data center travel may be temporarily shut down during times of congestion, as the recent Lodestone notice warned players and which is very likely to happen at 7.0 release.

    While it's an obvious move to try to funnel all new players to Dynamis for the next expansion launch, that doesn't mean SE will do it. We'll have to wait and see how they handle it when that time comes.

    It doesn't pay to discount human nature when trying to predict what decisions they will make. There are patterns that appear among different demographics and some incentives can become more attractive or less attractive when contrasted against other decisions to be made. If FFXIV ever does release a Xbox version, I wouldn't bet on the majority of Xbox players choosing Dynamis over the other data centers unless they have no other choice.
    First of all, lets not compare the FFXIV community, to the WoW community.

    World of Warcraft was well into a decline, prior to even BFA. Legion brought a few people back, but sub numbers were tanking well before shadowlands. Streamers caused a mass exodus, yes - But how many of those players have stuck around? Not many.

    Another point, The wow Exodus happened in Shadowbringers. Dynamis opened in November, 2022 Long after the exodus had stalled, and streamers moved on from FFXIV. This makes me believe you were not present in the WoW community during its final few months before its fall from grace. Lets also make an assumption about the WoW community.

    1. It consists of older players, in their 30's and 40's. It's not easy for them to assimilate into the FFXIV community. They were never going to change MMO's, and in my experience they were the ones labeling it the "weeb anime" game.

    2. The content players enjoy in WoW, does not exist in an enjoyable format as much as it does in WoW. Late game content in WoW is not similar to FFXIV, Especially when you look at Mythic +, and PvP - Something that FFXIV simply does not offer for the people who enjoy that. Also those orange danger circles? Good luck finding those in WoW, unless you have DBM and weak auras to hold your hand through content. The only people FFXIV retained were the casual WoW players, which did not make up a majority of the games population.

    3. "Western Reputation" Do you want to know what WoW is known for? Being a game of elitist, toxic neckbeards. You tell me which is worse. "Weeb anime MMO" or "Toxic Neckbeard MMO", with 8 years of mediocre expansions backing that reputation.

    4. Server "Reputation" on WoW was restricted to RP servers, and a few primarily Horde/Alliance dominated server shards. Why? RP servers did not have sharding. Every other server did, there was no seperation between the servers, like we have on FFXIV. EXCEPT on Classic, and Classic Era - Which was not heavily affected by the WoW exodus. The players it lost, were only lost because they did not want to play TBC which launced during the months of controversy.

    As for reputation, how often are you mocked for playing on Dynamis? Do people insult you, or look down upon you for being on Dynamis? Don't think so. If it's such an uncool DC to play on... Why did Zepla, and other streamers move their characters to our DC? Reality is, nobody cares about spending 30 seconds to DC travel. It's not that hard to do. If you don't want to do that, make a PF post for the content you want to run. People regularily help out people who do this on our DC. So your point on reputation is completely false. The people mocking Dynamis are liable to get slapped with a support desk ticket if anything, and I guarantee you the WoW players/Xbox players could care less about being on the "Cool servers", especially as first time players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Where are you getting the information that this will finally happen? Everything I read makes it sound like it's still copium among Xbox players that SE and Microsoft have managed to come to some sort of agreement that will make it possible.


    Not everyone has a PC so the last statement isn't really relevant.

    As for how many players it would bring to the game if it happened and whether they would choose to start on Dynamis? Not likely unless SE locks down character creation on all the other NA worlds for launch. Xbox players tend to be competitive and competitive players don't want to be on "dead worlds".
    Welp, I guess you're sniffing that copium too hard because my prediction came true lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinoa_353 View Post
    Welp, I guess you're sniffing that copium too hard because my prediction came true lol.
    I was never sniffing any copium. It didn't matter to me whether or not FFXIV released an Xbox version.
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