Stuff we have lost each expansion since shadowbringers

[Stormpeaks]

It’s not worth your time to reply to Storm; they are only being irritating for their own entertainment at this point. Way out of touch with the reality of the game/game direction. 0/10 would not recommend.

They don’t seem to grasp that MMORPG means, if anything, an online rpg game where you play amongst many other players. There is no weird requirement forcing you to play with other players… not in this day and age of Guildwars 2/Diablo 4/etc. This isn’t ye olde EverQuest.

MMORPG
noun
an online role-playing video game in which a very large number of people participate simultaneously.

Playing FFXIV to play with NPC's instead of playing with players is like playing the sims because you like fighting games

also lol @ "it's not worth your time to reply to storm because they disagree with you and i dont like their opinion so its not worth it"

Some of you people really cant understand that someone disagreeing with you does not automatically mean the person is trolling, they just.. you know.. dont agree with your point of view ?

[kaynide]

MMORPG
noun
an online role-playing video game in which a very large number of people participate simultaneously.

Playing FFXIV to play with NPC's instead of playing with players is like playing the sims because you like fighting games

also lol @ "it's not worth your time to reply to storm because they disagree with you and i dont like their opinion so its not worth it"

Some of you people really cant understand that someone disagreeing with you does not automatically mean the person is trolling, they just.. you know.. dont agree with your point of view ?

You do realize “Simultaneously” does not necessarily mean interacting/socializing…right? I can go to Disneyland all by my self and do all the things without interacting with the other guests. Or the mall. Or drive a car on the highway. People can do things simultaneously and not interact.

Just so we all understand what you’re mad about today:

You, a person who regularly complains that players are lazy and don’t try to “gitgud”, are now complaining that the devs took time and effort to give players tools/a safe space to improve in dungeons with NPCs. Ok.

Also also, it’s not so much the disagreement as it is your incredibly condescending and rude responses.

[Stormpeaks]

You do realize “Simultaneously” does not necessarily mean interacting/socializing…right? I can go to Disneyland all by my self and do all the things without interacting with the other guests. Or the mall. Or drive a car on the highway. People can do things simultaneously and not interact.

Just so we all understand what you’re mad about today:

You, a person who regularly complains that players are lazy and don’t try to “gitgud”, are now complaining that the devs took time and effort to give players tools/a safe space to improve in dungeons with NPCs. Ok.

Also also, it’s not so much the disagreement as it is your incredibly condescending and rude responses.

Says the one who literally said "It’s not worth your time to reply to Storm; they are only being irritating for their own entertainment at this point. Way out of touch with the reality of the game/game direction. 0/10 would not recommend."

You arent one to be able to talk regarding condescending and rude responses.

Also yes, an MMORPG should be played with players and not with NPC's, every other MMO in the market as far as I am aware is played with actual players. I'll gladly be proven wrong if you have evidence of the opposite.

If you want to play a single player game and not interact with players, an MMORPG is not for you, play a single player game.

[MintnHoney]

Just so we all understand what you’re mad about today:

But I guess it's ok that you're being condescending and rude, because you're doing it and you're aiming it at Stormpeaks, though, right?

You, a person who regularly complains that players are lazy and don’t try to “gitgud”, are now complaining that the devs took time and effort to give players tools/a safe space to improve in dungeons with NPCs.

Is that what you think Duty Support does? That's really what you think it was made for? Because my impression of the Duty Support system was that it was created to give an alternative means to players who want to progress through the story dungeons at their own pace, and therefore, the story as well, while also providing an alternative for those players who want to play a popular role which would previously require them to deal with long queue times.
If it was made as a means to allow players to improve or is supposed to encourage improvement, why does it not provide the player with tutorials, or provide the player with advice on how to handle certain boss mechanics when they wipe? Why are there no tools in place to let players see that they have improved, and in what ways, or, more specifically, why are there no tools provided to show how they could improve themselves?

[IkaraGreydancer]

This hurts a lot because I remember hearing them saying that while we would only get a single dungeon per patch we would at least get better ones. Well So far they've been all mediocre and nothing was improved from what I see - heck Troia City has only 2 real bosses! This also makes Expert Roulette pointless because before it did make sense, as you'd have 2-3 dungeons per patch and the whole point was to split into new dungeons vs older dungeons. But now it's just meaningless and I wish they'd just make expert and level 90 a single roulette already.

It's impressive how older dungeons were not just more challenging, but overall better designed too. Not all of them were but most of them are still a joy to run - at least when the queue pops up.

Older dungeons were more challenging...since when? Only dungeon that could possibly fit was Aurum and the masses g
hated that dungeon. Hard mode dungeons never really felt hard, like at all. Launch dungeons like Zot and Switch are really the only ones (at launch) that are difficult.

Sure this comes down to opinion but better designed? No as well. I find no joy in running ARR-SB dungeons. The ONLY exception there is the Vault n Ghimlyt for me.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Says the one who literally said "It’s not worth your time to reply to Storm; they are only being irritating for their own entertainment at this point. Way out of touch with the reality of the game/game direction. 0/10 would not recommend."

You arent one to be able to talk regarding condescending and rude responses.

Also yes, an MMORPG should be played with players and not with NPC's, every other MMO in the market as far as I am aware is played with actual players. I'll gladly be proven wrong if you have evidence of the opposite.

If you want to play a single player game and not interact with players, an MMORPG is not for you, play a single player game.

Stormy hate to break it to you but you play with npcs in Phantasy Star Online 2 and New Genesis. In PSO2 you're with em for 90% of the story. For NGS (so far) you're with npcs for all of the story. They even have them with you in overworld combat zones. Even (what id say is the equivalent of) our trials in that game they let you queue up with a full group of npcs to do it. So I can personally say XIV is not the only MMO to do this nor the worst "offender". Not sure how I'd prove that but I'd encourage you to look it up yourself and it's praised by that community as a good addition.

I personally don't feel you have the right to tell someone what type of game they should play when the game DOES indeed work to a certain extent for folks who want solo play. Yoshi P says otherwise to your statement so yours holds little water. Having npcs is a nice future proof for the game and adds immersion. And I can confidently say immersion plays a factor because the Hyd trial we got to do it with the Scions (as she was testing all of us) but no other one has done that. Tells me they paying attention to which is allowed and the goal isn't to replace players.

Now next step, make my Squads viable in 7.0 please? I'd be so down for role quests regarding folks we trained up. Take the role of the master this time ya know?

[Stormpeaks]

Stormy hate to break it to you but you play with npcs in Phantasy Star Online 2 and New Genesis. In PSO2 you're with em for 90% of the story. For NGS (so far) you're with npcs for all of the story. They even have them with you in overworld combat zones. Even (what id say is the equivalent of) our trials in that game they let you queue up with a full group of npcs to do it. So I can personally say XIV is not the only MMO to do this nor the worst "offender". Not sure how I'd prove that but I'd encourage you to look it up yourself and it's praised by that community as a good addition.

I personally don't feel you have the right to tell someone what type of game they should play when the game DOES indeed work to a certain extent for folks who want solo play. Yoshi P says otherwise to your statement so yours holds little water. Having npcs is a nice future proof for the game and adds immersion. And I can confidently say immersion plays a factor because the Hyd trial we got to do it with the Scions (as she was testing all of us) but no other one has done that. Tells me they paying attention to which is allowed and the goal isn't to replace players.

Now next step, make my Squads viable in 7.0 please? I'd be so down for role quests regarding folks we trained up. Take the role of the master this time ya know?

I literally have no clue what that game even is, I am talking about the most popular MMO's and as far as I am aware there is no npc combat involved in dungeon nor would it be a welcome feature, also having npcs to fight WITH you in the world is fine because its just a damage helper, however dungeons are.. dungeons, and it shouldnt be encouraged to play it with NPC's.

I did a bit of research out of pure curiosity, that game is pretty much dead from what I can see

We estimate the daily player count of Phantasy Star Online 2 to be 35,005, with a total player base of 3,684,716.

So yeah, a dead game has the system and people like it doesnt really mean much lol, at least not with such a tiny playerbase

[IkaraGreydancer]

I literally have no clue what that game even is, I am talking about the most popular MMO's and as far as I am aware there is no npc combat involved in dungeon nor would it be a welcome feature, also having npcs to fight WITH you in the world is fine because its just a damage helper, however dungeons are.. dungeons, and it shouldnt be encouraged to play it with NPC's.

I did a bit of research out of pure curiosity, that game is pretty much dead from what I can see

We estimate the daily player count of Phantasy Star Online 2 to be 35,005, with a total player base of 3,684,716.

So yeah, a dead game has the system doesnt really mean much lol

Ok so you ask to be corrected then when corrected you use "well its not a big mmo". NOWHERE did you specify popular or not. You said and I quote "In the market" not "in MY market". You not knowing the Phantasy Star IP isn't my problem and doesn't take away from my point.

Also you don't even do dungeons like that per your own words so why tf do you even care? Most players play with other players and that will always be optimal. You're complaining for nothing. I'll never understand this type of gatekeeping. Not to mention yall complaining about normal content being to easy so why also is trusts an issue if dungeons are "braindead"?
At least TRY to be consistent with your logic..

[Stormpeaks]

Ok so you ask to be corrected then when corrected you use "well its not a big mmo". NOWHERE did you specify popular or not. You not knowing the Phantasy Star IP isn't my problem and doesn't take away from my point.

Also you don't even do dungeons like that per your own words so why tf do you even care? Most players play with other players and that will always be optimal. You're complaining for nothing. I'll never understand this type of gatekeeping. Not to mention yall complaining about normal content being to easy so why also is trusts an issue if dungeons are "braindead"?
At least TRY to be consistent with your logic..

I literally mentioned I do roulettes on my NA character xD, but okay ? And of course if you're telling me some people in a dead MMO like a feature I wont actually take it into account, because it means nothing is the point, I acknowledge your point that another MMO has a trust-like system and that they like it, alright, but it's a dead MMO for a reason (or multiple reasons), it doesnt make the system a good system is my point nor should it be encouraged, now if you told me WoW,GW2, Lost Ark or another popular MMO had it and the community liked it, my response would be very different.

Your logic fails...
It'd make sense if said systems were why it died. Yet the reason it did wasn't that. It's clear you know fuck all about the IP because looking at PSO2 numbers as of today is off as Sega killed the game for its "sequal". The base game was doing phenomenal but they actively removed systems to get folks off the game to push them to NGS. Again if you took some time you'd find this stuff out. The feature was there in the mmos prime, it wasn't added after the fact btw so nice try? PSO2 didn't last 9+ years being terrible...use your brain.

Out of posts so I'll respond here, idk why you are getting so upset about this, I have never said that I knew anything about that IP, I even said it in my post that I dont know anything about it, nor did I say that it died because of the trust-like system, I said it died for one or multiple reasons, you are trying very hard to twist my word. In any case it's not worth getting upset about.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I literally mentioned I do roulettes on my NA character xD, but okay ? And of course if you're telling me some people in a dead MMO like a feature I wont actually take it into account, because it means nothing is the point, I acknowledge your point that another MMO has a trust-like system and that they like it, alright, but it's a dead MMO for a reason (or multiple reasons), it doesnt make the system a good system is my point nor should it be encouraged, now if you told me WoW,GW2, Lost Ark or another popular MMO had it and the community liked it, my response would be very different.

Your logic fails...
It'd make sense if said systems were why it died. Yet the reason it did wasn't that. It's clear you know fuck all about the IP because looking at PSO2 numbers as of today is off as Sega killed the game for its "sequal". The base game was doing phenomenal but they actively removed systems to get folks off the game to push them to NGS. Again if you took some time you'd find this stuff out. The feature was there in the mmos prime, it wasn't added after the fact btw so nice try? PSO2 didn't last 9+ years being terrible...use your brain.