Zodiark's Codex entry what do we think about it?

[SpectrePhantasia]

As an aside, I have a small gripe with the narrative surrounding Emet. He was never really forced to confront the reality of what he did or acknowledge the humanity of sundered people. I think EW 6.0 would have been a better "redemption arc" (air quotes) for him if he had been.

I beg to differ. Emet was extremely aware of the reality of what he was doing, that's why he's such a bitter broken person by the time we actually get to meet him. He's at a point where he's layering his actual feelings behind several layers of dehumanization, because its the only way he can really reconcile with what his goals required. He came to acknowledge their humanity, but his duty would never allow him to do anything but suppress that feeling. Nevertheless I don't really think EW's intention was to 'redeem' Emet in any capacity, so much as it was to further humanize him. After all, he doesn't regret a single thing he's done, he says as much in Ultima Thule. That cost, heavy though it was, was the demand that saving his people required, and he'd do it again for their sake.

As for the Nier crossover, I think it is plain to see that the scene with Ryne was a low effort demonstration used for emphasis, rather than any kind of factual hardboiled depiction of what being sundered is like. It's been pointed out already that it's a bit silly to take that portrayal as exact. I see no reason why the event's portrayal and this scene can't coexist.

[SpectrePhantasia]

I put "redemption arc" in quotes for a reason and included (air quotes) in parentheses after it. I do not know how I could have made the air quotes any heavier on the page, haha.

I saw the quotes! But I'm not sure if I'd even call it anything even approaching it tbh. I guess it's more like a reaffirmation of what we already knew than anything else. I think his position as far the narrative sees him was largely unchanged from Shb to EW.

[SannaR]

For me the strangeness about the use of order is that it's not their style. Look at the Volcano instance where it got treated to how most people who stay during hurricanes. They didn't order anyone to leave or seem to give an ordnance for people to leave. Even when the beginnings of the Final Days started to hit other cities the Convocation again didn't give an order for people to flee the areas that already were being affected. So, to have them give an order of some kind that most obeyed probably more so out of social pressure than anything felt odd to me.

[RyuDragnier]

For me the strangeness about the use of order is that it's not their style. Look at the Volcano instance where it got treated to how most people who stay during hurricanes. They didn't order anyone to leave or seem to give an ordnance for people to leave. Even when the beginnings of the Final Days started to hit other cities the Convocation again didn't give an order for people to flee the areas that already were being affected. So, to have them give an order of some kind that most obeyed probably more so out of social pressure than anything felt odd to me.

Did the people there even answer to Amaurot? It was mentioned that Amaurot had a sister city elsewhere in the world, which means people followed different societies or countries. That volcano area may have been an area that was not under Amaurot's purview, but another's. Or it may have been under nobody's, and Azem waltzed in there because "I'm not about to let people die or lose their homes."

[SannaR]

Did the people there even answer to Amaurot? It was mentioned that Amaurot had a sister city elsewhere in the world, which means people followed different societies or countries. That volcano area may have been an area that was not under Amaurot's purview, but another's. Or it may have been under nobody's, and Azem waltzed in there because "I'm not about to let people die or lose their homes."

We don't know all we know is at least with the Volcano they weren't going to interfere and that anyone who wanted to leave already had. The other city(cities) on the other hand all we know is there was debate on weather or not to send help. The against sending was so that they wouldn't want to imped on them learning from dealing with the situation. It's been a long minute since I did that quest that had those two people debating about if it would be right to send help or not.