endwalker seen as low point?

[Remish]

I think it's interesting when Stormblood use to be considered a low point and now it's reflected back as a high point.

[Shurrikhan]

I think it's interesting when Stormblood use to be considered a low point and now it's reflected back as a high point.

It had some poor decisions, slightly fewer positive changes than was expected, and was otherwise basically fine.

Tbf, one could say the same for Endwalker, if only it hadn't failed to reverse any of the poor decisions that had come before it. Alas, cumulative impact.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Honestly what I find the most enlightening is the insistence that it absolutely must be the highest point in the game thus far. People don't seem to realize that by discounting those who didn't like Endwalker or had not so minor grievances, they're not actually solving any problems. Those who feel as though their voices are not being heard are far more likely to grow jaded and resentful. The "few minor trolls" on this forum, are to what I've observed, a self-created issue.

It's not. SE itself, various Reddit sites, and so on have done polls on the expansions, and EW typically ranks 2nd in terms of "favorite expansion" behind ShB as the typical 1st. Random Youtubers and the select few trolls that inhabit this forum are representative of...well...absolutely nothing.

For instance, for every poster here complaining that they didn't like the EW story, head over to just one YT video and you'll probably find hundreds of people posting about how they enjoyed it, how it struck a meaningful chord with them, and so on. It's basically a small group of people who equate "they didn't write the story I personally want, therefore the story is bad." *shrugs*

Case, meet point. One could just as easily flip this around and say "they wrote a story I personally enjoyed, therefore the story is great and everyone who disagrees with me should go cry a big, fat river". I'm puzzled as to how certain posters consider such reductivity a good attitude to have. It certainly doesn't solve any real issues, not nearly as much as it stirs the simmering pot of resentment.

I don't find Endwalker to be a low point per se, but there are some around here whose attitude is hardly more admirable than the opponents they claim to fight. Suffice to say, while I may not necessarily agree with those who find themselves at odds I at least understand them. I've been in that position before, and I daresay many here have had things they enjoyed that are not Final Fantasy XIV "ruined" by what they saw as a bad decision so a lot of the more dismissive attitudes feel more like gloating than a proper defense.

[Striker44]

Case, meet point. One could just as easily flip this around and say "they wrote a story I personally enjoyed, therefore the story is great and everyone who disagrees with me should go cry a big, fat river". I'm puzzled as to how certain posters consider such reductivity a good attitude to have. It certainly doesn't solve any real issues, not nearly as much as it stirs the simmering pot of resentment.

You "could" flip that around, but that simply isn't what's happening here in reality. It also (again) ignores how popular EW actually is practically anywhere on the internet outside of this forum. Heck, even some of the usual bitter crew here love to claim that there are apparently dozens upon dozens of fanboy sites around the internet absolutely praising the game, worshiping Yoshi-P, etc., where no criticism of any sort is allowed, and claim that this forum with its few dozen regulars is the "only place" on the internet you can be negative about it...yet then simultaneously try to act as if their negativity is the norm magically shared by most of the playerbase. Umm...what?

To go back to your point, I watched the new season of Stranger Things last summer. There were a few things I really wanted to see happen. Exactly none of them did (in fact the complete opposite). I still enjoyed the season, anyway. Mature people are able to separate "what I want" from "what I can enjoy."

[TowaIsBestGirl]

yet then simultaneously try to act as if their negativity is the norm magically shared by most of the playerbase.

I'm inclined to disagree with this assertion. I've certainly encountered nothing of the sort thus far. To be frank, the onus is on the posters coming into an OP's thread to assume good faith until proven otherwise. Blind cynicism serves no purpose but to denigrate those one might rather not see, but if such is the intent it can be accomplished much more easily and with less friction by simply not deigning to participate in any discussion started by any OP the poster has come to blows with in the past. So many of the culprits those on here love to point fingers at, to the best of my knowledge, have not once actually outright claimed to speak for the empirical majority. Some other posters cannot claim the same innocence to such an offence.

To go back to your point, I watched the new season of Stranger Things last summer. There were a few things I really wanted to see happen. Exactly none of them did (in fact the complete opposite). I still enjoyed the season, anyway. Mature people are able to separate "what I want" from "what I can enjoy."

I'm not entirely clear what bringing Stranger Things into this accomplishes, but mature people are also rather capable of refraining from flaunting their supposed mental maturity and certainly not implying others do not possess the same. Both of which you exhibit here, and which discredits you to the detriment of the stance you are attempting to take. It most certainly isn't a good look, nor does it do much to assist in your desire presentation as the upstanding, mature individual you seem to see yourself as.

[Boblawblah]

but mature people are also rather capable of refraining from flaunting their supposed mental maturity and certainly not implying others do not possess the same. Both of which you exhibit here, and which discredits you to the detriment of the stance you are attempting to take. It most certainly isn't a good look, nor does it do much to assist in your desire presentation as the upstanding, mature individual you seem to see yourself as.

[hagare]

and where is this video?
I wanna see it in its full context instead from a 3rd party.

[PercibelTheren]

I started playing a year ago, so I haven't experienced the endgame in the older expansions. Therefore, please take anything I say with a massive bag of salt.

The whole time in Endwalker's MSQ, I felt like it was really weak. The first half of it (especially Labyrinthos) was a massive slog and the payoff at the end wasn't worth it. I enjoyed Elpis and...no, that's about it. I enjoyed Elpis. The pacing of the expansion was all over the place to me. Maybe it just has the misfortune of being after Shadowbringers, which, at least to me, hit the ground running and kept rolling until the story's conclusion. There were one or two spots that felt a little like filler, but they were relatively short-lived. In Endwalker, it feels like half the expansion is filler instead.

I'm also not a fan of the additional content. The trials are fine, though their difficulty is wildly inconsistent. Some are laughably easy while others are enjoyably difficult. Savage also feels all over the place. P8S made me want to tear my hair out. Maybe that's just me being garbage at the game, though, who knows.

Variant dungeons are extremely meh because the rewards aren't worth the effort, plus they're boring. Criterion dungeons are difficult and the rewards suck. Eureka Orthos is *good* but the fact that you can't go past floor 30 without a fixed party is a huge detriment. It's really difficult to get a full party together now that 85% of my FC is off playing other games due to the massive drought of engaging content.

I can't manage to get into the patch MSQ, either. Zero is great waifu bait but that's about it. The Fiends are rehashed from older games, yet again. Not to mention the new story takes about two hours to complete each time and then there's nothing for another 4 months.

I think maybe I sound like I hate Endwalker now. I don't. I think it's OK. However, OK isn't good enough when I know this game has the potential to be excellent. I'm looking towards 7.0 with cautious optimism. I don't want to get too hyped because that would just end up in disappointment. Maybe it's just the even-numbered expansions that suck, so, hopefully we are in for a wild ride in the future again.

[hagare]

You keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you sleep at night ^-^ You can tell from this thread that a lot of people weren't happy with the story but you prefer to think you know every single person who plays the game and they all loved it, talk about delusional. I think I'd rather take the word of a random youtuber than you, the self appointed represantive of the people™

who is this random youtuber though.
Do they even exist?
Why have the TC not mention even the name of said youtuber so people can see the content and judge for themselves?

[Sheriyana]

who is this random youtuber though.
Do they even exist?
Why have the TC not mention even the name of said youtuber so people can see the content and judge for themselves?

No idea. I personally haven't seen a XIV content creator who doesn't have issues with Endwalker but it's possible they're out there.