endwalker seen as low point?

[PredatoryCatgirl]

The title says seen as low point. It doesn't have to be the lowest point, so you bringing up an expansion you consider worse is whataboutism. You trying to deflect and misdefine the idea of what OP meant as a low point doesn't change that. If they wanted to say "the worst expansion" then surely they would have outright said it.

Yes, you absolutely are trying to misdefine the idea of what OP meant as low point through petty semantics. "Low point" means the worst part of the game.

Now, based on how you came straight out of the gate accusing me of malice when it was at worst a misunderstanding, I can tell that you've dug the hole too deep and aren't going to concede this, so I'm not going to argue it with you. But if your ego is so tiny that you feel the need to get the last word in, go ahead, I'll let you have it.

Thank you for reminding me why I'm happy the devs don't actually read these forums.

[Oizen]

In terms of raw content, Endwalker has not only been pretty light on it, but the quality of said content has been a mixed bag.

In terms of the plot, its not for everyone. Some enjoyed it, others have problems with its plotholes and contrived writing and reliance on boring shonen tropes. I personally thought it was started insanely slow, then got pretty rushed, and the stakes of everything felt really fake, and ultimately I didn't really get into it.

I personally view it as the worst Expansion, but I don't hate it.

[caffe_macchiato]

i was just watching a youtuber and he mentioned endwalker is seen too some as a low point for ff14 but didnt expand on it...any ideas why people think that? im not an endwalker lover or anything but i started ff in shadowbringers so i dont have a history i can use to see why people would think that.

Wrong. Per the forums, Reddit, Twitter, etc. many people view Endwalker as the peak of the series. It has the most players, the highest Metacritic rating, and the most amount of hot guys like Emet, G'raha, and Hythlodaeus. It's especially a good expansion because it lets you take more breaks to play other games, which a lot of people love. Some of the best games of all time are coming out, like Tears of the Kingdom and FF16, and Yoshi-P wants you to have time to play those. So by letting you play better games, Endwalker is actually a really good deal compared to prior expansions.

The revisionist history turning positively on Stormblood has been amusing to watch from the sidelines as well.

Very true. People claim to like Stormblood because it had a lot of new "content" compared to other expansions, but let's be honest here, we don't exactly play this game for the content. That's like saying you watch porn for the plot. Gameplay is here to carry the story, and once you're done, you can go do other things as the director intended.

[Schwarzwind]

As every expansion Endwalker has its flaws, but I would not define it as a low point of the game. At least not to me.

I disliked the pacing of some parts of the MSQ as well as how they handled the EW relics. On the other hand the EW MSQ and raid story were much to my liking. I also enjoyed the fights of the dungeons, trials and raids itself. They are perfect for people that seek the middle ground in difficulty, like me. Tastes differ.

[AnnRam]

Because after 10 years of story the ending - last boss was meh.

[NekoMataMata]

Yes, you absolutely are trying to misdefine the idea of what OP meant as a low point through petty semantics. "Low point" means the worst part of the game. "A low point" would imply that its one of several.

Even using the term low point generally suggests that there are other low points. I googled it, I looked it up on Chat GPT, and everything suggests that this is how it is used. There's really nothing else to say at this point.

Yes, you absolutely are trying to misdefine the idea of what OP meant as low point through petty semantics. "Low point" means the worst part of the game.

Now, based on how you came straight out of the gate accusing me of malice when it was at worst a misunderstanding

You want to talk about malice? You were the one that immediately jumped to a generalizing conclusion of how anyone that sees Endwalker as a low point is either trolling or doesn't know the game's history.

You're the one that also immediately dropped the whole "I'll wait," phrase when responding. Tell me that's not condescending.

I can tell that you've dug the hole too deep and aren't going to concede this, so I'm not going to argue it with you. But if your ego is so tiny that you feel the need to get the last word in, go ahead, I'll let you have it.

I mean there's a lot of times on the forums where I've just stopped replying, but this is outright bait(and I'm going to take it, so do your worst). You're sitting there telling yourself "Look, I'm the bigger person because I told that person off for quoting me on a discussion board." And sure, my ego is pretty small, that's not really that big of a deal.

You're free to respond. Unlike yourself I'm not going to be petty and tell you off for quoting me and responding back.

[Jeeqbit]

i was just watching a youtuber and he mentioned endwalker is seen too some as a low point for ff14 but didnt expand on it...any ideas why people think that? im not an endwalker lover or anything but i started ff in shadowbringers so i dont have a history i can use to see why people would think that.

Statistically, it's not a low point. The population of the game is higher than it has been in any other expansion.

The content is also of a really high quality. The raid content is great for example.

The reason some people feel this way is because they used to have commitment to making every job unique, but changed their mind in Shadowbringers and uniqueness began to erode in favor of making jobs intuitive and hard to mess up. They also used to be content for some jobs to be hard to play and others to be easy to play, but decided they all should be easy to play and that everyone should be able to play their desired job. The commitment to balance each job with one another has also led to this lack of uniqueness.

They have also been making older dungeons, which were braindead easy but still fun, even easier and braindead so that they are more obvious to new players.

The story writers have also changed over time. The story is still good but some people don't like the approach some writers have had.

The priority of content gets changed in each expansion and in Shadowbringers and especially Endwalker they shifted towards wanting to making extremely casual content, such as Ocean Fishing, Island Sanctuary and relic weapon grinds that aren't grinds. People who aren't interested in casual content and like battle content that keeps them playing for ages, such as Eureka and Bozja, are obviously disappointed with that.

I wouldn't say it's a low point, but some people think that because of the above things.

[drtasteyummy]

Endwalker is a low point for several reasons. Firstly, it concludes a story that had been building up through multiple expansions, so tension wise, we're at a low point. Secondly, the conclusion itself was weak. Old antagonists were dismissed as if they were nothing more than dust, while new ones introduced seemed unconvincing in their existence. The story was filled with plot holes, and many characters felt more like elements of a Hildibrand joke. To add to this, all sacrifices made in the story were undone, making them seem meaningless. Many people, I believe, simply expected something better, something more emotional impactful.

Additionally, we're in a narrative limbo with no clear purpose. All attempts so far feel as though we're "just looking, no touching". Golbez, as a villain, is currently quite forgettable, and Athena's storyline presents her as evil for the sake of being evil, lacking any deeper motivation. The gods storyline is also in limbo, leaving us stuck in a void of nothingness. The only redeeming factor seems to be their apparent plan to weave a narrative merging the splitters (the Ascians would be proud), which sounds intriguing, but there's little else to be excited about at the moment.

[Sheriyana]

I don't think anyone who's not trolling and actually knows the game's history actually sees Endwalker as low point. At worst, its coming off as one because it wasn't as good as Shadowbringers. ARR was by far worse, and don't even get me started on 1.0.

Been playing since phase 3 of the ARR beta and Endwalker is definitely a lowpoint, not as low as 1.0 but what is. You're free to call everyone who criticizes the expansion a troll if that makes yourself feel better.

[Renalt]

Some streamer/youtuber opinion is just that. An opinion. Make up your own.