endwalker seen as low point?

[elzdon]

i was just watching a youtuber and he mentioned endwalker is seen too some as a low point for ff14 but didnt expand on it...any ideas why people think that? im not an endwalker lover or anything but i started ff in shadowbringers so i dont have a history i can use to see why people would think that.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

I don't think anyone who's not trolling and actually knows the game's history actually sees Endwalker as low point. At worst, its coming off as one because it wasn't as good as Shadowbringers. ARR was by far worse, and don't even get me started on 1.0.

[NekoMataMata]

I don't think anyone who's not trolling and actually knows the game's history actually sees Endwalker as a low point. At worst, its coming off as one because it wasn't as good as Shadowbringers. ARR was by far worse, and don't even get me started on 1.0.

Something something about bias, something something else whataboutism.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Something something about bias, something something else about whataboutism.

Endwalker being a low point implies that its the worst expansion. I brought up a worse expansion.

Please, explain how that's whataboutism. I'll wait.

[Shurrikhan]

Endwalker being a low point implies that its the worst expansion. I brought up a worse expansion.

Please, explain how that's whataboutism. I'll wait.

I mean, if your answer to "This is a low point" is "There has been at least one lower point before"... how is that not a "whataboutism"?

<< "This guy's pretty awful."

>> "Sure, but he's no Columbus/Hitler."

<< "This expansion seems to me to have trended negatively in certain key aspects (story, job design, etc.) that make me feel it has marked a downward turn in overall design."

>> "Sure, but ARR was worse."

...How would the one be a whataboutism, and not the other?
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For my part, I don't really see the point in on-the-whole evaluations anyways (I'd rather talk specifically and separately about story, content pacing, content variety, job design, encounter design, etc.), but to point at something worse from the past just to dismiss critiques about the present is pretty obviously the opposite of anything constructive.

[sagacious]

Your opinion is the low point of this forum.

[DragonFlyy]

Something something about bias, something something else whataboutism.

Whataboutism would be more like, why ask about endwalker, what about Cataclysm. Comparing two expansions of the same game is not whataboutism, it's just comparing.

[Sheriyana]

I don't think anyone who's not trolling and actually knows the game's history actually sees Endwalker as low point. At worst, its coming off as one because it wasn't as good as Shadowbringers. ARR was by far worse, and don't even get me started on 1.0.

Been playing since phase 3 of the ARR beta and Endwalker is definitely a lowpoint, not as low as 1.0 but what is. You're free to call everyone who criticizes the expansion a troll if that makes yourself feel better.

[fulminating]

I don't think anyone who's not trolling and actually knows the game's history actually sees Endwalker as low point. At worst, its coming off as one because it wasn't as good as Shadowbringers. ARR was by far worse, and don't even get me started on 1.0.

I’m entirely comfortable calling endwalker the nadir in all aspects. At least 1.0 tried.

[Boblawblah]

Mind linking the youtube video that you were watching?