Why is the playerbase so mentally fragile now

[UltraPrimarch]

This is how I read the title: "Players who don't think like me are fragile."

The question OP is actually asking: "Why don't these people like me?"

I believe this encapsulates about 50% of the internet derived contention between nice people and not nice people. I like nice people and nice people tend to get along under any circumstances. ::toasts nice people::

[Kaurhz]

Yep. Check out the old lost ark forums, or WoW forums, or any forums. They're crazy as hell. We're no different. Niche games or extreme moderation can avoid it, but it's rare.

It's in every community just in different forms, even outside of MMOs. e.g., you could go play Call of Duty and within 3 lobbies you'd already apparently have seven parents. Equally, I could go around on Battlefield, use a shotgun and within 40 minutes have a good half-sized enemy team crying that life isn't fair. Similarly, could do the exact same and have people raging in games like MK. Let's not forget about a certain meme of "Buying GF" either.

Moderation only solves so much e.g., people learning to skirt the ToS more, or just being more passive about matters rather than 'openly aggressive' - It really doesn't matter the only difference is people are masking it. Fragility would still be there, just in a different form.

This will come across as a bit of a weird one in wording but... This game just sounds worse than some others because some people may always speak of it being the best community ever etc., to the point where if something goes bad, it circulates and then the topic gets beaten, resurrected, and beaten once again. Whereas in some other communities, the expectancy of what can occur in the general community is a lot more exposed.

Edit:
Niche communities and games don't really avoid it either, the only luxury they have is that when something happens, it is probably only limited to a handful of people being in the know etc.,

[MordecaiGalidonus]

This games version of help players is basically "Fisher price, my first keyboard/controller" because if you don't explain how to do something to someone in the most dumbed down milquetoast way, you are in the wrong. Nevermind if you explain it and they refuse to listen or just flat don't care about it. You are forced to deal with it and suck it up or kick them out and find someone else. wasting 3-7 other peoples time because some paste eaters cant put the triangle in the triangle hole. You have to force it into the square and keep your head down.

Out of my 10+ years playing this game, its growing in community yes, but not a healthy one. You have to show fake positivity or just stay silent unless you have good friends and join discord and play there. Ever wonder why pf is always dead silent and no talking besides basic banter or basic yes/no? Cause if you are "Soft" this game is a haven for you, but if you want to get stuff done and not have your time wasted, you are a dying breed. I love when people point out issues and say when something is wrong. The problem with the modern audience is people just cant handle being told they are bad and need to fix it or leave.

Coddling people doesn't breed anything but thin skinned babies, in higher end content you should come in wanting to get stuff done, not waste others time because you don't take the time to learn your class or optimize your rotation. Regardless of what SE says, there is a right and wrong way to play this game, if it wasn't bosses wouldn't have enrage timers. You need to meet dps check to clear, others can only do so much and if you have people in the group snorting crayons in the back, you are not clearing unless you are WAAAAY over geared, which is unlikely in current content on a savage patch.

[Boblawblah]

This games version of help players is basically "Fisher price, my first keyboard/controller" because if you don't explain how to do something to someone in the most dumbed down milquetoast way, you are in the wrong. Nevermind if you explain it and they refuse to listen or just flat don't care about it. You are forced to deal with it and suck it up or kick them out and find someone else. wasting 3-7 other peoples time because some paste eaters cant put the triangle in the triangle hole. You have to force it into the square and keep your head down.

Out of my 10+ years playing this game, its growing in community yes, but not a healthy one. You have to show fake positivity or just stay silent unless you have good friends and join discord and play there. Ever wonder why pf is always dead silent and no talking besides basic banter or basic yes/no? Cause if you are "Soft" this game is a haven for you, but if you want to get stuff done and not have your time wasted, you are a dying breed. I love when people point out issues and say when something is wrong. The problem with the modern audience is people just cant handle being told they are bad and need to fix it or leave.

Coddling people doesn't breed anything but thin skinned babies, in higher end content you should come in wanting to get stuff done, not waste others time because you don't take the time to learn your class or optimize your rotation. Regardless of what SE says, there is a right and wrong way to play this game, if it wasn't bosses wouldn't have enrage timers. You need to meet dps check to clear, others can only do so much and if you have people in the group snorting crayons in the back, you are not clearing unless you are WAAAAY over geared, which is unlikely in current content on a savage patch.

Sir, this is a video game.

[IkaraGreydancer]

You can see if someone is doing sub-par DPS by looking at the emnity list. If a DRG is 8th on the list, they are either serverly under geared, or not playing properly. If a healer is 2nd on emnity, they are most likely overhealing.

And then you can watch them for a bit and figure it out for certain.

It's not rocket surgery.

In terms of "unsolicited advice", get over yourself? If someone offers up advice in a friendly or neutral way and you react with hostility because you "didn't ask", then you're self-centred. You're refusing to work as a team.

And you can try to claim that people only lash out if the advice giver is spewing toxicity and vulgarities, but that's a completely fabricated take.

While anecdotal, if my years of playing, I have seen on so many occasions someone offer up advice as simple as "you don't need to keep medica 2 up at all times" be responded to with anger.

It gets to the point where I'm actually surprised when someone takes advice, because usually they think they're better than that. I even thank people for taking the advice. Even if in the next run they do, they forget about it. I still make sure to thank them.

It's time for people to start humbling themselves. If someone is offering advice, maybe they know something you don't. But if you close yourself off to advice no matter how it's presented, then obviously you don't care about working as a team, and completing the object as a team. You only care about yourself.

Advice is not toxic.

1st off define proper please. And I mean definitively define it. Because I've heard following rotations means proper, I've also heard otherwise.

As for unsolicited advice saying "get over yourself" is quite funny. Because one could say the same for the person feeling like they need to give said unsolicited advice. (In my experience it's generally just one person that speaks up). No reason to get hostile when folks are friendly (which in my and many others experience most take it very well), but to call only them self centered if they do get hostile is interesting. From what I've seen from these sections of the community they only care about another's performance (as this context is normal style content) if it'll make a run slower. "They're wasting my time". Very rarely do I see a whole group speak up which tells me either they don't care,don't mind or don't find things dire enough to speak. So you (example) being the only one to speak can make you look self centered regardless of reason.

I dont believe people GENERALLY lash out at friendly advice. It seems like it's people being antagonistic or speaking up when they shouldn't that sparks most of these. Sure folks here will say they are being yet are they really? We've seen many times their idea of being friendly is far from it.

Next how do you know someone thinks they're better than that to take advice? Humans are complex people. Them being an ass doesn't mean they feel they're above it. Some lash back out of embarrassment.
Being humble is understanding your advice isn't always wanted or needed or even trusted. People giving advice don't always know what they're talking out. People who 100% close themselves off from advice are the minority and I'd bet my account on that.

[Araxes]

That is a massive lie and you know it, that doesnt happen,

It happened yesterday evening when she tanked the tower of Zot. You can ask her in Game yourself if you like. Her last name is the same as mine, first Name is Lymeia. She even thought of reporting them.

[MaxCarnage]

Just because you dont see it happen doesnt mean it didnt happen...you know better than this. Or you should. Lay off the personal attacks as well. Calling someone a liar because what they saw conflicts with your own personal views and prejudices is way out of line.

Who are you to tell others what happens on servers you dont play on and have never been to.

Lmao this you?

I have about 15- 20 years in multiplay gaming that says otherwise.

But, believe what you wish.

[MordecaiGalidonus]

Sir, this is a video game.

Doesn't matter if its a video game or not. Time is the only currency you cant get back, and id rather spend it working towards something I choose as a fun passtime, "raiding" than spending 6hours learning a basic color matching mechanic, because "little Timmy" cant count to 8 while pressing 1-2-3.

[Stormpeaks]

Sir, this is a video game.

Ah the good old "it's okay to be bad because its a game" excuse, just so you can put 0 effort into anything, never stops being used eh ?

Nevermind holding 7 other people back because of underperforming or not following any callouts and not keeping up with the strategy for a boss, "it's just a game guys who cares, just enjoy the wipes over and over again thanks to me because I want to make 0 effort"

[Boblawblah]

Ah the good old "it's okay to be bad because its a game" excuse, just so you can put 0 effort into anything, never stops being used eh ?

Nevermind holding 7 other people back because of underperforming or not following any callouts and not keeping up with the strategy for a boss, "it's just a game guys who cares, just enjoy the wipes over and over again thanks to me because I want to make 0 effort"

hah, sorry, I wasn't implying that you can't take video games seriously, just that he sounded crazy and like an old guy shouting about how things used to be back in the day.