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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    See, if you do that, then you are advertising the fact you are using a parser, which you are NOT PERMITTED to use, additionally, the rule is, was, and always has been that IF you are using one, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. Dont harass others. Its that easy.
    You can see if someone is doing sub-par DPS by looking at the emnity list. If a DRG is 8th on the list, they are either serverly under geared, or not playing properly. If a healer is 2nd on emnity, they are most likely overhealing.

    And then you can watch them for a bit and figure it out for certain.

    It's not rocket surgery.

    In terms of "unsolicited advice", get over yourself? If someone offers up advice in a friendly or neutral way and you react with hostility because you "didn't ask", then you're self-centred. You're refusing to work as a team.

    And you can try to claim that people only lash out if the advice giver is spewing toxicity and vulgarities, but that's a completely fabricated take.

    While anecdotal, if my years of playing, I have seen on so many occasions someone offer up advice as simple as "you don't need to keep medica 2 up at all times" be responded to with anger.

    It gets to the point where I'm actually surprised when someone takes advice, because usually they think they're better than that. I even thank people for taking the advice. Even if in the next run they do, they forget about it. I still make sure to thank them.

    It's time for people to start humbling themselves. If someone is offering advice, maybe they know something you don't. But if you close yourself off to advice no matter how it's presented, then obviously you don't care about working as a team, and completing the object as a team. You only care about yourself.

    Advice is not toxic.
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    And you can try to claim that people only lash out if the advice giver is spewing toxicity and vulgarities, but that's a completely fabricated take.
    I have about 15- 20 years in multiplay gaming that says otherwise.

    But, believe what you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    You can see if someone is doing sub-par DPS by looking at the emnity list. If a DRG is 8th on the list, they are either serverly under geared, or not playing properly. If a healer is 2nd on emnity, they are most likely overhealing.

    And then you can watch them for a bit and figure it out for certain.

    It's not rocket surgery.

    In terms of "unsolicited advice", get over yourself? If someone offers up advice in a friendly or neutral way and you react with hostility because you "didn't ask", then you're self-centred. You're refusing to work as a team.

    And you can try to claim that people only lash out if the advice giver is spewing toxicity and vulgarities, but that's a completely fabricated take.

    While anecdotal, if my years of playing, I have seen on so many occasions someone offer up advice as simple as "you don't need to keep medica 2 up at all times" be responded to with anger.

    It gets to the point where I'm actually surprised when someone takes advice, because usually they think they're better than that. I even thank people for taking the advice. Even if in the next run they do, they forget about it. I still make sure to thank them.

    It's time for people to start humbling themselves. If someone is offering advice, maybe they know something you don't. But if you close yourself off to advice no matter how it's presented, then obviously you don't care about working as a team, and completing the object as a team. You only care about yourself.

    Advice is not toxic.
    1st off define proper please. And I mean definitively define it. Because I've heard following rotations means proper, I've also heard otherwise.

    As for unsolicited advice saying "get over yourself" is quite funny. Because one could say the same for the person feeling like they need to give said unsolicited advice. (In my experience it's generally just one person that speaks up). No reason to get hostile when folks are friendly (which in my and many others experience most take it very well), but to call only them self centered if they do get hostile is interesting. From what I've seen from these sections of the community they only care about another's performance (as this context is normal style content) if it'll make a run slower. "They're wasting my time". Very rarely do I see a whole group speak up which tells me either they don't care,don't mind or don't find things dire enough to speak. So you (example) being the only one to speak can make you look self centered regardless of reason.

    I dont believe people GENERALLY lash out at friendly advice. It seems like it's people being antagonistic or speaking up when they shouldn't that sparks most of these. Sure folks here will say they are being yet are they really? We've seen many times their idea of being friendly is far from it.

    Next how do you know someone thinks they're better than that to take advice? Humans are complex people. Them being an ass doesn't mean they feel they're above it. Some lash back out of embarrassment.
    Being humble is understanding your advice isn't always wanted or needed or even trusted. People giving advice don't always know what they're talking out. People who 100% close themselves off from advice are the minority and I'd bet my account on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    It's time for people to start humbling themselves. If someone is offering advice, maybe they know something you don't. But if you close yourself off to advice no matter how it's presented, then obviously you don't care about working as a team, and completing the object as a team. You only care about yourself.
    Advice is not toxic.
    A good half of the "advice" I receive is utter nonsense. The other day I had a tank tell me off for "being a bad healer" in Bardam's Mettle, because they had to use Nebula. Tanks who don't know how to mitigate and blame the healers for their mistakes are very common.

    Advice is not toxic, but being a dick is. People who are defending being a dick and calling it "advice" are just outing themselves as jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    A good half of the "advice" I receive is utter nonsense. The other day I had a tank tell me off for "being a bad healer" in Bardam's Mettle, because they had to use Nebula. Tanks who don't know how to mitigate and blame the healers for their mistakes are very common.

    Advice is not toxic, but being a dick is. People who are defending being a dick and calling it "advice" are just outing themselves as jerks.
    "waaahhhh y...you... y..you are a jerk! baka!!"
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