Why is the playerbase so mentally fragile now

[Stormpeaks]

I see we are participating in the time-honored tradition of complaining about people being snowflakes. Here's the thing - unless someone specifically asks for it, nobody wants to hear your feedback. Chances are, the person *knows* they messed up and the last thing they need is you pointing it out. I'm fine with it now but there was a time when I was much younger and your actions would upset me. I have anxiety, learning a new role or job is extremely stressful. Maybe this person was the same.

TLDR : "let me stay bad god damnit, i dont need your advice, i didnt ask for it, i want to stay bad!"

[IkaraGreydancer]

TLDR : "let me stay bad god damnit, i dont need your advice, i didnt ask for it, i want to stay bad!"

Classic stormy YET AGAIN misrepresenting what someone is saying. Literally NOWHERE did they say "let me stay bad"...the post boils down to "stay in your lane and help when asked". That's all they're really saying.

Also for people that complain the game is to easy, why then are yall complaining about bad players. If the content is so braindead why do bad players matter?

[GaiusDrakon]

Classic stormy YET AGAIN misrepresenting what someone is saying. Literally NOWHERE did they say "let me stay bad"...the post boils down to "stay in your lane and help when asked". That's all they're really saying.

Also for people that complain the game is to easy, why then are yall complaining about bad players. If the content is so braindead why do bad players matter?

because they're an eyesore, it's like watching a human landfill in front of your eyes for 15 minutes in the dungeon. and no one says a thing as the party list shows them casting cure iii over and over again

i'll keep offering unsolicited advice tyvm

you think snowflake players will ever ask on their own initiative? lmao

when people like you say "only offer advice when asked" it's = "never offer advice" because these bad players will never ask

beneath the surface though a lot of people agree with me. i actually get more comms on dps when i call out bad healers even when no one else said a word. sadly people are too afraid of offending the mentally fragile in this game.

[IkaraGreydancer]

because they're an eyesore, it's like watching a human landfill in front of your eyes for 15 minutes in the dungeon. and no one says a thing as the party list shows them casting cure iii over and over again

i'll keep offering unsolicited advice tyvm

you think snowflake players will ever ask on their own initiative? lmao

when people like you say "only offer advice when asked" it's = "never offer advice" because these bad players will never ask

Is the content getting cleared? Because if so your input isn't needed. Also as the "strong" person you claim to be seeing bad or underperforming players shouldnt bother you right? Calling these people landfills tells me how you probably go about adressing these people in game, and with that I'm not shocked people don't receive you well.
I've had to tell quite a few higher level whms that "Holy helps with big pull as it stuns mobs" as they weren't using it. None since my time in SB took that and got mad at me. Sure I've had a small number of them ignore but generally it's a "oh thank you", and things get better from there.

I'm a firm believer that more often than not its the approach thats the issue not solely the point out/people


Oh hold on didn't see the edit. I never once said I only give advice when asked. Hell I've said many times here before I give it when I see things going south, check my post history if you don't trust my word.

Again with the whole "snowflake" bs. Someone not wanting your input isn't a snowflake nor is someone telling you to leave em be. In my experience many don't ask for help because they've encountered asshats akin to you in the past so they dont feel comfy making that first step. Also I get comms as a dps to without even saying a word so for you to assume you get them due to callouts is funny. I guess you're saying it to further "prove" your point?
Also using the "alot of folks agree" doesn't really matter here cause I could say the same n yet you'd dismiss that. Just sayin

[Kaurhz]

Yep. Check out the old lost ark forums, or WoW forums, or any forums. They're crazy as hell. We're no different. Niche games or extreme moderation can avoid it, but it's rare.

It's in every community just in different forms, even outside of MMOs. e.g., you could go play Call of Duty and within 3 lobbies you'd already apparently have seven parents. Equally, I could go around on Battlefield, use a shotgun and within 40 minutes have a good half-sized enemy team crying that life isn't fair. Similarly, could do the exact same and have people raging in games like MK. Let's not forget about a certain meme of "Buying GF" either.

Moderation only solves so much e.g., people learning to skirt the ToS more, or just being more passive about matters rather than 'openly aggressive' - It really doesn't matter the only difference is people are masking it. Fragility would still be there, just in a different form.

This will come across as a bit of a weird one in wording but... This game just sounds worse than some others because some people may always speak of it being the best community ever etc., to the point where if something goes bad, it circulates and then the topic gets beaten, resurrected, and beaten once again. Whereas in some other communities, the expectancy of what can occur in the general community is a lot more exposed.

Edit:
Niche communities and games don't really avoid it either, the only luxury they have is that when something happens, it is probably only limited to a handful of people being in the know etc.,

[MordecaiGalidonus]

This games version of help players is basically "Fisher price, my first keyboard/controller" because if you don't explain how to do something to someone in the most dumbed down milquetoast way, you are in the wrong. Nevermind if you explain it and they refuse to listen or just flat don't care about it. You are forced to deal with it and suck it up or kick them out and find someone else. wasting 3-7 other peoples time because some paste eaters cant put the triangle in the triangle hole. You have to force it into the square and keep your head down.

Out of my 10+ years playing this game, its growing in community yes, but not a healthy one. You have to show fake positivity or just stay silent unless you have good friends and join discord and play there. Ever wonder why pf is always dead silent and no talking besides basic banter or basic yes/no? Cause if you are "Soft" this game is a haven for you, but if you want to get stuff done and not have your time wasted, you are a dying breed. I love when people point out issues and say when something is wrong. The problem with the modern audience is people just cant handle being told they are bad and need to fix it or leave.

Coddling people doesn't breed anything but thin skinned babies, in higher end content you should come in wanting to get stuff done, not waste others time because you don't take the time to learn your class or optimize your rotation. Regardless of what SE says, there is a right and wrong way to play this game, if it wasn't bosses wouldn't have enrage timers. You need to meet dps check to clear, others can only do so much and if you have people in the group snorting crayons in the back, you are not clearing unless you are WAAAAY over geared, which is unlikely in current content on a savage patch.

[Boblawblah]

This games version of help players is basically "Fisher price, my first keyboard/controller" because if you don't explain how to do something to someone in the most dumbed down milquetoast way, you are in the wrong. Nevermind if you explain it and they refuse to listen or just flat don't care about it. You are forced to deal with it and suck it up or kick them out and find someone else. wasting 3-7 other peoples time because some paste eaters cant put the triangle in the triangle hole. You have to force it into the square and keep your head down.

Out of my 10+ years playing this game, its growing in community yes, but not a healthy one. You have to show fake positivity or just stay silent unless you have good friends and join discord and play there. Ever wonder why pf is always dead silent and no talking besides basic banter or basic yes/no? Cause if you are "Soft" this game is a haven for you, but if you want to get stuff done and not have your time wasted, you are a dying breed. I love when people point out issues and say when something is wrong. The problem with the modern audience is people just cant handle being told they are bad and need to fix it or leave.

Coddling people doesn't breed anything but thin skinned babies, in higher end content you should come in wanting to get stuff done, not waste others time because you don't take the time to learn your class or optimize your rotation. Regardless of what SE says, there is a right and wrong way to play this game, if it wasn't bosses wouldn't have enrage timers. You need to meet dps check to clear, others can only do so much and if you have people in the group snorting crayons in the back, you are not clearing unless you are WAAAAY over geared, which is unlikely in current content on a savage patch.

Sir, this is a video game.

[Brill_]

Ever wonder why pf is always dead silent and no talking besides basic banter or basic yes/no?

Because if people stopped to type, they would miss a GCD. Then people like would complain that the missed GCD made the fight take 5 seconds longer.

Look, if your time is so precious that playing with people you consider inferior is unacceptable, then stop playing with randoms. Problem solved. Find 7 other people who view this game as a job and play only with them. You'll have a perfect group and never wipe again.

[Stormpeaks]

Classic stormy YET AGAIN misrepresenting what someone is saying. Literally NOWHERE did they say "let me stay bad"...the post boils down to "stay in your lane and help when asked". That's all they're really saying.

Also for people that complain the game is to easy, why then are yall complaining about bad players. If the content is so braindead why do bad players matter?

Ok smarty pants, so if no one has the right to tell you that you are underperforming, and that parses are banned, how are you going to know that you are underperforming ?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Ok smarty pants, so if no one has the right to tell you that you are underperforming, and that parses are banned, how are you going to know that you are underperforming ?

I simply clarified what that person was saying as you constantly skew what folks are saying. I even said myself I don't wait til I'm asked. As a mentor I point out issues again when things go south but I go about it respectfully. I'll either make a point of it or ask if folks need any pointers.
So this whole "no one has the right to tell you" bit makes no sense when it comes to me.

I personally didn't need some elaborate tool to show me how I was doing. As a tank I use the aggro meter to judge that. If I'm similarly geared to my CO tank yet struggle to keep aggro they're clearly better and I have work to do.
But thats just me. Some don't care to get better and that's alright