Revert Shatter back to the Original Map

[Teno]

They built this map with pvp in mind (this can be seen in multiple of their design choices for the layout). Little did they know it'd turn out to be full-on pve all game long, the winning team being the one that got the rng of having players do pvp. At this point no FL regular plays this garbage anymore.

[Archeron]

They built this map with pvp in mind (this can be seen in multiple of their design choices for the layout). Little did they know it'd turn out to be full-on pve all game long, the winning team being the one that got the rng of having players do pvp. At this point no FL regular plays this garbage anymore.

Yeah I don't see how anyone could find the new shatter map enjoyable especially if you're farming it for the mount. They would have known this map was a failure if they did even a little open play-testing.

[Chasingstars]

Maybe you just never played a jungler before in a moba like League of Legends. Because that is how it feels like breaking the small ice and invading other enemys territory to break their ice. Its honestly rather relaxing to say the least as you just break ice, help your team out with some skirmishes, break the big ice if its near your ramp or you don't have to jump down, pick off whatever team decided to jump down to get to big ice. And I say this while playing reaper.

[Archeron]

Maybe you just never played a jungler before in a moba like League of Legends. Because that is how it feels like breaking the small ice and invading other enemys territory to break their ice. Its honestly rather relaxing to say the least as you just break ice, help your team out with some skirmishes, break the big ice if its near your ramp or you don't have to jump down, pick off whatever team decided to jump down to get to big ice. And I say this while playing reaper.

Playing reaper has nothing to do with this map sucking, (Infact I'd argue that reaper is one of the better jobs for shatter.) and no, I don't play or care about League of Legends. FFXIV should not focus on trying to copy MOBA's and should focus on what it does well; Smaller scale PvP. We queue into PvP to fight other players, not smack point pinatas.

The overall layout of this map is trash, Especially for large scale combat.The team that priotizes killing enemy alliances wins a significant majority of Shatter matches. What does that mean? Small ice is practically irrelevant, and serves as nothing but a distraction, or as something for your teams deathball to smack along the way. The 2 minutes you spend smacking that ice node doesn't help your team overall. As for the big ice spawns, you may as well just give the points of the node for free to the team that has the ramp in, because most people by now are aware that jumping down that cliff, means they're probably going to die as half the team refuses to jump down and help. That is not good design, and it doesn't encourage competitive plays. The Old Shatter map had nothing wrong with it, the changes it recieved have done nothing but make Shatter from one of the most popular frontline maps, to being hated as much as Borderland ruins.

[Valence]

I never liked pvp modes focusing way too much on pve objectives, because a lot of the casual crowd will literally do just that because that's what they know to do the best and imagine is THE WAY to win the game, and it honestly feels super bad seal clubbing them while they're killing crystals and not even reacting back.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

New shatter made me give up my desire to get that 300 victories title (I'm a little bit over half way :cry: ). I'll never understand why they think it's fine to make a PvP that encourage pacifist play. I'm not even doing them from daily frontline roulette. Maybe one day... :shrug:

The Fields of Glory (Shatter)? More like The Fields of Glory (Insecure).

[Rufalus]

Shatter wasn't very good before and after the map change. It was sad, then it got worse. The only two good maps are Onsal and Seal Rock. I wish Fields of Glory was removed like Borderland Ruins, then there wouldn't be any bad days in the rotation.

[Archeron]

Shatter wasn't very good before and after the map change. It was sad, then it got worse. The only two good maps are Onsal and Seal Rock. I wish Fields of Glory was removed like Borderland Ruins, then there wouldn't be any bad days in the rotation.

I 100% would agree with knocking current Shatter out of rotation, map is absolutely horrible and I refuse to do it even for roulette.

I don't know if I would personally rate old shatter above Seal rock personally though. Old shatter had its problems, but it offered an alternative for players who didn't want to be a part of the deathball. Going out to attack a small ice node, or capturing an enemy base would contribute to your team, and sometimes prove as a vital distraction when a big ice node spawned. Whereas with seal rock I find the map layout fairly unbalanced especially when you compare cave to the other 2 spawn points.

[VkhaliTia]

Am I the only one who didn't have a problem with it before and now? Maybe I'm just indifferent as usual about things.
I only get annoyed about fighting against certain jobs and that's it.

[ACE135]

I liked the old map when the nodes just spawned once and you didn't know beforehand which node will spawn.
Also the map design now looks a bit less "natural" I think.