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    Bard nerf is good

    Bard was too easy and you could easily climb. People say it was team-reliant in lower ranks even, but in truth all that was required of the team was to get a target to below 50% from time to time and for you to score the kill while staying in the back. Big brain. Silent Nocturne was so powerful that people believe it's the entire RAISON D'ENTRE for Bards. Now you actually need to think about how to use it if at all.

    Weird how people think they should still play Bard the same way when it now comes with so many repercussions that it's no longer always an option. You will just be a crippled old Bard if you don't adapt and learn to play.

    It's a new reality folks. Bard is no longer safemode.
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    If bard was easy and could easily climb before then I would like to hear from those who got all the way up the ranks playing solely as bards. Have either of you guys done that?
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    Machinist is easier than bard and it got buffed, same with dragoon who already was the strongest dps and easy to play got even stronger.

    So yeah, bard nerf was just because people were malding over how they don't pay attention to the silence debuff, don't purify in time and die, it's less bad than getting hit by 25y air anchor stun as silence at least lets you run out of range or LoS still.

    Not to mention miracle is completely untouched, which is a WAY more problematic cc than silence ever is or was.
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    Source: I played a bunch of Bard and Dragoon in lower ranks. Actually climbed more on Bard. I will enjoy Bard way more now that I have to think a bit while playing.

    Anybody who pretends like Bard wasn't in the top 3 easiest jobs in the game is trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynethil View Post
    Machinist is easier than bard and it got buffed, same with dragoon who already was the strongest dps and easy to play got even stronger.
    You have to be kidding me if you believe a job with a modifiable and cycling tool button and a placed area buff/debuff is easier than one where all you have to know is how to stay at range and target swap.

    So yeah, bard nerf was just because people were malding over how they don't pay attention to the silence debuff, don't purify in time and die, it's less bad than getting hit by 25y air anchor stun as silence at least lets you run out of range or LoS still.
    How to retrocreate a narrative. Nobody complained about Silent Nocturne.

    Not to mention miracle is completely untouched, which is a WAY more problematic cc than silence ever is or was.
    Confidently talking bs and hoping people believe it. Miracle already had been nerfed hard, both duration and range, which used to be a whopping 25 yalms as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    You have to be kidding me if you believe a job with a modifiable and cycling tool button and a placed area buff/debuff is easier than one where all you have to know is how to stay at range and target swap.



    How to retrocreate a narrative. Nobody complained about Silent Nocturne.



    Confidently talking bs and hoping people believe it. Miracle already had been nerfed hard, both duration and range, which used to be a whopping 25 yalms as well.
    Thinks placing turrets makes a class harder to play.

    People have complained about silence before, just because they don't complain about it as much as nin or sam lb doesn't mean they don't.

    Also thinks an unpurifyable non lb cc is less powerfull than a silence.

    Op is either troll or just finished his second fl match ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluish View Post
    If bard was easy and could easily climb before then I would like to hear from those who got all the way up the ranks playing solely as bards. Have either of you guys done that?
    i got all the way to plat with bard on both my main and my alt, barely even tried since i was just grinding tomes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    Source: I played a bunch of Bard and Dragoon in lower ranks. Actually climbed more on Bard. I will enjoy Bard way more now that I have to think a bit while playing.

    Anybody who pretends like Bard wasn't in the top 3 easiest jobs in the game is trolling.
    If you weren't thinking even a bit when playing bard before then I rest my case...it MUST be the easiest job there is, surely! And that's based on your solid experience in lower ranks so there's absolutely no way you could be wrong...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    Bard was too easy and you could easily climb. People say it was team-reliant in lower ranks even, but in truth all that was required of the team was to get a target to below 50% from time to time and for you to score the kill while staying in the back. Big brain. Silent Nocturne was so powerful that people believe it's the entire RAISON D'ENTRE for Bards. Now you actually need to think about how to use it if at all.

    Weird how people think they should still play Bard the same way when it now comes with so many repercussions that it's no longer always an option. You will just be a crippled old Bard if you don't adapt and learn to play.

    It's a new reality folks. Bard is no longer safemode.
    Figures a melee main would say this lmao. You were probably at the receiving end so let me educate you on bardanomics.

    1. In general, even bard players are cool with A nerf on nocturne (even though it wasn’t necessary). Except that the nerf was extensive for no reason at all. Miracle of nature got a range nerf, cannot be purified and could only be prevented by pre-guarding. Nocturne got a range nerf, duration nerf AND dmg nerf. Do you see a disparity yet?

    2. People are comparing rdm silence with brd silence but imo there is no real comparison because rdm aoe silence is there as a resource but they can still get kills without it due to their toolkit. Bard burst relies ENTIRELY on silent nocturne to secure kills but AT THE SAME TIME, most of it’s toolkit is meant to be played at max range. Why? Because they have an animation lock, move slower and are basically sitting ducks if they want to replenish emp arrow. Do you see why using powershot would be bad mid range?

    What’s everyone always doing in pvp? I’ll answer for you, moving. Chances are with a bard at mid range, someone is closing the bard. Basically bye bye Pitch Perfect damage. Bye bye saving paean for your tanks or melee. Bye bye backstep to peel off a really good melee off of your teammates.

    3. The class was designed to be played at max range, now forced to play at mid-range without enough changes to it’s toolkit to support it. The range nerf causes your OVERALL damage output to suffer (clearly bard was doing a ton of dmg in the first place) due to a cascading effect - I’ll explain later.

    Yes, it’s a powerful wombo combo if your team gets the enemy down to around 50% HP. That’s why you play LOS when you know there’s a good bard on the other team. Instead of rewarding good bards who keep an eye on purify and guard usage to secure kills, they’re rewarding poor players who don’t know what positioning and LOS is and making it easier for them.
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    Last edited by Nubrication; 05-27-2023 at 02:47 AM.

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    Sinstrel Muran'khana
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluish View Post
    If bard was easy and could easily climb before then I would like to hear from those who got all the way up the ranks playing solely as bards. Have either of you guys done that?
    The rank 1 player on Aether last season played only Bard. And was in the lowest of total games played so it wasn't even a grind.
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