Samurai LB is still BS

[UkcsAlias]

If the "you're just bad if you get hit by it" crowd is unhappy about that, then I actually pause to wonder why it would be so, since it's so easy not to get hit by it to begin with, which makes it underwhelming or bad by definition right? So they should be happy about such a change with potential buffs (charge time or damage).

The problem lies at many parts that act together. And needs a solution that handles a lot of those cases.

And a few key aspects i noticed:
- No warning
- Too easily accidentaly triggered

While the strong hit can be desired, its instant kill is not. However, with a proper warning, that insta kill might be. So for that i might have a suggestion:
Chiten now instead of having a binary Kuzushi, Kuzushi now works based on stacks. And for example each stack reduces the effect of guard by 20%, capping at 5 (we can also do 3 stacks and 33%, or basicly any value with a fixed point for the ohko), When maxed, the player gets a highlight (to mark the guaranteed instant kill and help the SAM).
This means that in teamfights, you can now take some risks as instead of instantly having a full mark, you can watch the stacks you obtained. And yes, there will still be that binary point of 4 and 5 stacks, but it enables a newer player to for example take 3 as their treshold for care, instead of 4. It gives a progression of survival, while still involving a risk/reward situation, that can backfire.

And yes, you can be sure newer/bad players will die by this because they dont track the stacks. Which then is a l2p, but its one they can at least be hinted to, and learn track! As its no longer purely binary. It requires a bit more setup.

As a bonus effect, SAM now can also use this as a teamfight buff even without LB. Making guard weaker for everyone can still be a strong effect and on that offset the cheese strategy. And its a lot more likely to trigger in that case, as people wont be worried as quickly, and are a lot more likely to just take those 2 stacks.

[Mistress_Irika]

If we're going to be nerfing the limit break can we make sure that it's fully functional?

I honestly hope that it's just me doj g something wrong, but I'm having difficulty dealing damage with the limit break against those that are using Guard. Like I'm not getting the piercing effect at all.

[BaroLlyonesse]

Are you that whiner? Because you sound like someone who would be that whiner. Nobody cares about MCH 3% OHKO. If your team was losing before the 3% OHKO. It doesn't have game shattering consequences when it goes off, and even in CC if you wipe the enemy team, and you were losing before the OHKO went off, you'll likely just go back to losing again when they all respawn in ~10 seconds.

Sam players are busy whining about how unresponsive servers are, and people with Chiten debuff not getting affected by the LB. But I guess you wouldn't know that, you're on the recieving end of their LBs.

If no one cares about the 3% OHKO, there wouldn't have been rejoicing when it was eliminated. And it does sound like you weren't playing when that 3% existed, because people were constantly complaining that it was unfair and unfun.

[Llynethil]

I got hit with that 3% like 2-3 times in total since it was introduced up untill it was now removed, couldn't care less about it being that way with how low a chance it was.

[Vatom]

Damage values:

Zantetsuken base damage: 24000
Skyshatter INNER circle base: 32000 (2 x 16000)
Skyshatter OUTER ring base: 16000

Skyshatter damage tooltip:
// Delivers an attack with a potency of 16,000 to all nearby enemies. (10y radius)
// Potency is doubled when targets are within 5 yalms.

Geirskogul damage increase: +25% for 10s
Hissatsu: Chiten's "Kuzushi" effect: +25% dmg to target with the debuff (from SAM only)

Skyshatter OUTER: 16000 + (16000 * 0.25) = 16000 + 4000 = 20000
Skyshatter INNER: 32000 + (32000 * 0.25) = 32000 + 8000 = 40000
Zantetsuken (if it didnt have instantkill): 24000 + (24000 * 0.25) = 24000 + 6000 = 30000

Respectfully going to disagree, I mathed it and tested it.

Ah I see you atdded buff to dash my bad
that almost never happens unless you have great server ping

[Belle_Velvet]

Limited toolkit lol half of your single attacks take away an unfair amount of HP compared to many classes and the LB is just ridiculous. I guess I would at least be happy if they bumped the charge time to like 300s or so :3

[Belle_Velvet]

At least with Nin i only get one hit deleted if I am not paying attention to health

[Valence]

Limited toolkit lol half of your single attacks take away an unfair amount of HP compared to many classes and the LB is just ridiculous. I guess I would at least be happy if they bumped the charge time to like 300s or so :3

To be honest I'm more neutral on SAM supposedly being subpar at higher levels in CC. It's definitely less performing than at lower levels for obvious reason, but the kit still remains a gigantic threat for ranged players, for the sheer amount of damage, the dashes that bind, Chiten making it great at dueling, etc. I also do feel that a lot of people like saying it's an easy job to pull off, but the only thing they have in mind is mIdArE and zAnTeTsUkEn. The actual amount of SAMs that use their toolkit correctly is ridiculously low.

If anything it's NIN that's underperforming. I've never felt so indifferent to seeing a Ninja try and harass me. They hit like wet noodles (but i'll admit that if their team supports them, they're great at securing kills with all the ranged crowd control).

[Archeron]

If no one cares about the 3% OHKO, there wouldn't have been rejoicing when it was eliminated. And it does sound like you weren't playing when that 3% existed, because people were constantly complaining that it was unfair and unfun.

I main MCH in CC, so yes. I was there when the 3% chainsaw existed. You ignored my point that it ultimately Has little, to no impact on the matches it goes off in. And who is rejoicing? Your short little personal anectdotes of people being happy its gone doesn't mean that people overall care that its gone, or have even noticed its absence.

[RyanCousland]

I main MCH in CC, so yes. I was there when the 3% chainsaw existed. You ignored my point that it ultimately Has little, to no impact on the matches it goes off in. And who is rejoicing? Your short little personal anectdotes of people being happy its gone doesn't mean that people overall care that its gone, or have even noticed its absence.

this is a 100% BS its one thing for a an LB to OHKO (which im ok with) but not a reg skill, to say it has never impacted a game is ignoring the fact that it drops a enemy hp by 95% regardless of the 3% rate that fact alone affects any game