Thread: On Themis [6.4 SPOILER]

Originally Posted by Yuella

They did...by summoning Zodiark

Am talking about meteion.

The problem to me is that ShB suggested that you cannot actually erase a timeline through interference.

You'll either end up creating an alternate timeline (Which they even entertain with Y'shtola's remark about how the Venat we met in the past and the Hydaelyn we know may not even be the same person) or end up being the cause of the very events you sought to change/prevent (Like in the Alexander raids).

I suppose I'll just have to accept at some point that there's no catharsis to be found and they're just liable to keep twisting the knife more.

One way to save the Ancient world is to teach them how to summon Zodiark without the tempering aspect. So Zodiark would still shield them from Meteion but the ancients would not be tempered into being reliant on him and wanting to sacrifice more life. They can then learn how to deal with their sufferings and convince Venat to not summon Hydaelyn. There's still the question on how to confront Meteion without being able to control Dynamis but surely Azem will figure out a way eventually.

Typed out a too-long reply on why I find the suggestion that the surviving Amaurotines post Final Days (minus Venat and her followers) would be psychologically willing or able to shift focus to hunting down Meteion ludicrous even if tempering wasn't involved, but it's That Debate. And you're right. I've avoided wading into that debate any more than the toe I dip and there's no value in repeating it on the Forum.

Instead I'm going to think about Ondo Themis stuck in Lancetfish jail instead of the Crystal Tower. He can stare wistfully at the Ancient ruins if he wants but mostly he works on helping his people trade with Eulmore and explore the lands above and sighs when the old-timers gripe about how there used to not be this bubble of dry air at the bottom of the ocean.

I think this this thread broke this subforum's land speed record for devolving into The Same Damn Argument. That might depend on if you measure by time elapsed or posts made, though.

Rest in peace, Themis Discussion. You died to the thing Elidibus came back to prevent: Ancient arguments.

The only thing I'm left wondering as far as Themis himself goes is what in the world they were trying to imply from his train of thought being interrupted by light surrounding him.

I really hope it's not insinuating that this isn't the last we've seen of him, because the boy deserves his rest after getting dragged through the dirt by fate and I have like...zero confidence any additional purpose they'd have him serve would make me feel better.

To the OP that's how I see it with Themis.

Okay I might be dumb or just really confused, but when all the lamenting is going on its just their memories stuffed inside a soul (that might not even be theirs) post death correct? So how did Athena get ahold of any of that? Themis for example shouldn't know some things he does as unless she's able to do something akin to what Hydelean did with Emet-Selch's soul and yoink stuff from the 1st he shouldn't know about our 5.3 fight or any post sundering stuff. Heck would his memories even be floating around the 1st's sea? Even though we know memories and the soul are two separate ather components they're also attached to the soul, right? And we were told that Themis at least was used up when he sent us to Elpis. Eric's soul got reborn into Claudien.

So, I guess another question I have is where is all of this WoL could have told them stuff coming from? If it's during the parts that were in the actual past then I guess? But we actually manage to do what Themis told us to do originally and to not try and change stuff. Lahabreha seems to dislike Azem and is leery of us to the point even after seeing us in action he still doesn't like that what in his mind is a familiar made by a fellow convocation member so that Themis doesn't have to fight and can investigate incognito. As to why future him doesn't have a "It's You!" moment later I chalk it up to him having gone insane. The man also was willing to keep secrets and probably forgot all about that strange familiar. Themis well he chose to loose his memories.