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  1. #11
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    This skill is the cornerstone of the job. Doing one nerf is one thing, but doing a triple nerf on such a key, core component that literally makes or break the job, is beyond words. You really need to have an aggravated problem to resort not to a DOUBLE, but TRIPLE nerf. That's just massive.
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  2. #12
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    This skill is the cornerstone of the job. Doing one nerf is one thing, but doing a triple nerf on such a key, core component that literally makes or break the job, is beyond words. You really need to have an aggravated problem to resort not to a DOUBLE, but TRIPLE nerf. That's just massive.
    Ya, a ranged nerf would have sucked, but I could have adapted to it. Potency nerf, fine whatever. A duration nerf would have been the most tolerable and easiest to deal with....All 3 at the same time though is just a wtf scenario. Who was complaining about BRD to begin with?
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  3. #13
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    Nubrication's Avatar
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    Virtus Pendragon
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DioK View Post
    Bard is specifically designed to fight from afar. It is NOT equitable with DNC in having to bop back and forth. DNC has extra DR to account for having to play closer than other range; BRD was not given this. DNC has extra mitigation and self-healing to survive fighting closer; BRD was not given this. DNC does not suffer a reduction in damage output for fighting closer; BRD does. Even worse, using Silent Nocturne was part of BRD's burst initiation by proc'ing Pitch Perfect. Now, BRD has a reduction in ability to proc Pitch Perfect, which is an 8000 potency loss. Now, that can only be reliably proc'ed by Warden's Paean. What other class has had an 8000 potency nerf? Plus, the elimination of the damage from Silent Nocturne, which is an additional 2000 potency loss that we used to use in our burst. So, a 10000 potency loss of burst ability? Did a class already struggling to do damage really need an additional 10000 potency loss? Also, part of using Silent Nocturne was to help secure kills; now that bit of support capacity has been taken from bard without bard getting into mortal danger.

    Essentially, bard is reduced to mostly being a totem in the back line, providing little participation in the battle. I don’t think SE understood at all how bard works. You can’t design a class to inherently fight from far away and then shackle it to fighting close. Those are conflicting design choices which can only result in an underperforming class. BRD does NOT fight at 15 yalms or less. Its damage is reduced (something no other class suffers from) and it has no survivability at such a range (again, a property no other class suffers from). If they wanted to reduce Silent Nocturne's range, 20 yalms would have been a better compromise, not 15.
    This exactly! You explained it far better than I did.
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  4. #14
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 100
    This nerf is legitimately frustrating.... It's making me not want to pvp.
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  5. #15
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    Chanai Malqir
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    Zalera
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    Culinarian Lv 52
    Pouring one out for Bard. Why did SE do this to one of my favorite classes?
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  6. #16
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    Edwin Vancleef
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    Golem
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    Ninja Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    This nerf is legitimately frustrating.... It's making me not want to pvp.
    What a shame for the 1 job out of 20 doesn't play as well as the rest. Buh bye.
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  7. #17
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    What a shame for the 1 job out of 20 doesn't play as well as the rest. Buh bye.
    Yes, the job I enjoyed the most and pushed to crystal in 3 different seasons while being one of the weakest jobs in the game is now frustrating to play is indeed a shame. There was zero reason for this over nerf.
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  8. #18
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    Nubrication's Avatar
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    Virtus Pendragon
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    This nerf is legitimately frustrating.... It's making me not want to pvp.
    Yep, Squenix wants us to use bard mid-range now which is why they buffed apex, repelling shot and paean. They only forgot the “minor” details of how bard’s burst works, how pitch perfect works and how powerful shot works. They probably think we can survive mid range because we have a backstep and a 30 sec CD that last only 10 secs which needs to actually remove or prevent something to take effect. It’s almost as if they think people don’t focus bards in the first place.
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  9. #19
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    Luluna Eve
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    Louisoix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    I play bard a lot and have done for a while now so bit disappointed at the new changes. I do not like close combat even in PVE I always play ranged. I loved Dancer but it feels off in pvp and this kind of reminds me of that.
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  10. #20
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    Elucesta's Avatar
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    Miko Fukumoto
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 90
    No, that nocturne nerf was needed. It was constant abused and they could constantly hit you from Narnia, while also doing damage with it? Too much, you have no idea how many bards were so over reliant on that ability.
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