Why is all new content such a cakewalk?

[TaleraRistain]

My group wiped 3 times on the trial. Got it eventually but with one new healer it can hurt.

A lot of the mechs were familiar but I also do 8 and 24 man raids. I think some things we just don't see as much in MSQ so it could be spicy for someone who only does story.

[Absurdity]

A lot of the mechs were familiar but I also do 8 and 24 man raids. I think some things we just don't see as much in MSQ so it could be spicy for someone who only does story.

Which brings us to an age old issue, the MSQ gameplay is so utterly non-threatening that people are overwhelmed by the most basic normal mode mechanics.

[TaleraRistain]

Which brings us to an age old issue, the MSQ gameplay is so utterly non-threatening that people are overwhelmed by the most basic normal mode mechanics.

It's MSQ. They throw in a spicy thing or two here and there but it's story content. It's at a good level to keep that story content accessible.

For something a bit more, we can look toward the 8 man and 24 man content. Those can and do get away with more spice but those tackling that content understand that.

[MsQi]

There's cakes?

[Hanayumi]

Me as War and another tank as Pld managed to dual a over a 3rd of the new trial, after everyone else wipe. It cycle through all the mechanics myltiple time and none of it was able flat out kill us soo... yeah, was actually surprised at the lack of auto atks, usually that shit kills, lol.

[EstelleCere]

I don't really feel like the new content is "too easy" or "too hard" so far. You finding something easy does not mean it is easy for everyone else. I did the new pandaemonium raids today and in all of them besides 11 were difficult in my opinion, we wiped many times in them. I feel like right now it's pretty balanced in terms of difficulty but that's my opinion. Something I find easy could be hard for someone else. It all depends on the player.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Idk everything has felt just right so far. I think they hit a nice sweet spot

[EliaStormblade]

Idk everything has felt just right so far. I think they hit a nice sweet spot

Gonna agree there. The normal trial and normal raid seemed pretty good for what they are.

[Ranaku]

Idk everything has felt just right so far. I think they hit a nice sweet spot

Happy to hear that you like them! Every opinion is valid. Me personally i would've wished for maybe more addphases or some quick time events and maybe a tank lb like we had to use with the WoL. But i feel like it isn't the last trial of the expansion so i delay my despair over that a bit.

[Renathras]

When i think back to stormblood and bosses like the mistdragon or the ivalice raids which had some challenging bosses (especially for uncoordinated alliances lol) i really can't help to feel like the content nowadays is just is just...way too easy.

I'm a bit confused, what's "too easy" about it? They fights seem to have a lot going on, failing to respect the mechanics too much will KO you, the party can wipe if people are too careless but if people pay attention they can get through things. My first runs of stuff like Mist Dragon didn't go badly as I recall. And while nothing will every be Orbonne Monastery again, the 24 mans so far have felt similar in difficulty to Ridorana Lighthouse or Goug.

I'm not sure "should cause wipes in normal 4 man content" is a good metric for "cakewalk" vs "appropriate difficulty". Good content SHOULD be clearable without wipes if people are paying attention to mechanics and/or you have good Healers. The parties I did the Trial with the first time we had a wipe (same for P9N and P10N), my other runs of the Trial didn't have wipes just because some of the players had already done it and had seen the trickier mechanics, likewise my second run of P9 and my runs of P11 and P12 had some people who had already done it today.

There were wipes in a lot of other people's runs, too.

Maybe you just ended up in parties that had already done the runs or something, I dunno. Either way, the difficulty felt about right to me for NORMAL content.

I haven't done the Extreme yet (and obviously the Savage isn't out yet), but the new content felt "about right" not "cakewalk", per my metrics.

Is your judgement that content is only good if people are wiping to it over and over again?

EDIT:

Oh yeah i see also many deaths but not many wipes. If we take Cidolfus Orlandeau from the ivalice raids for example, before they nerfed him, if one party of the raid didn't do their job the whole raid would wipe. Or back then the first boss in dun scaith was a huge dps check, it was a timed fight that had a guaranteed wipe if people didn't deal enough damage or too many players died. Today what kills most people is the insane amount of foliage and grass when fighting Nophica.

Again Cid was - bar non - the SINGLE HARDEST FIGHT EVER IN A 24 MAN IN THE GAME'S HISTORY. I'm not going to say Savage, but that fight was on par with an Extreme fight and 24 man meaning the "more people to mess up" problem. I don't think it's right to compare anything to that.

Also: I don't recall EVER having a wipe to Dun Scaith's first boss due to a "dps check". It has an Enrage? I remember it occasionally wiping due to people being blown off the side (one time as it died it did that and ONE person in the raid popped Arm's Length. Literally everyone else died and that one person finished the 0.1% it had left to prevent a wipe. We did the "1-0, we win" meme), but never heard of it being hard due to a dps check. Even running it in at level gear in HW, I don't recall ever wiping to a dps check on that fight...

Idk everything has felt just right so far. I think they hit a nice sweet spot

Also agree with this. It felt just about right to me as well.