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    Player GaiusDrakon's Avatar
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    How does Lahabrea even make sense

    ARR Lahabrea:

    MWAHAHAHA HEART OF SABIK UNLEASH ULTIMA MWAHAHAHA MWAHAHAHAMWAHAHAHA

    EW Lahabrea:

    I am a cold father. I am stoic. I will do my duty.

    ???
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    The entirety of this storyline is about explaining in the lore their simplistic "this is a bad guy" story from ARR and how he became a "bad guy" instead of a reasonable person like the other ascians.

    They get A for effort spending 3 major patches trying go to such lengths to fix this plot hole with such complicated things as time travel, when it could have just been put down to something like Zodiark's tempering and the passage of time making him crazy.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
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    Player GaiusDrakon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    The entirety of this storyline is about explaining in the lore their simplistic "this is a bad guy" story from ARR and how he became a "bad guy" instead of a reasonable person like the other ascians.

    They get A for effort spending 3 major patches trying go to such lengths to fix this plot hole with such complicated things as time travel, when it could have just been put down to something like Zodiark's tempering and the passage of time making him crazy.
    explain how the dark half of lahabrea unlocks the "mwahaha" personality of ARR lahabrea
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    It's subtle, but hints were there since Abyssos. Hephaistos does not only represent Lahabrea's corruption by Athena, but also his more sentimental, impulsive side, for example it was said that without Hephaistos he was left without any strong feelings for his son.

    Now, we might not have seen an immediate villainous cackling at the end of this storyline, but we know Lahabrea is becoming more like Hephaistos, and we also know from his fight that Hephaistos absolutely loved creating big explosions while boasting about how he was gonna toast us. and this trait, Lahabrea inherited. We can read the subtext without being outright told that he's going to get more passionate about his work.

    The rest is already estabilished lore. Twelve thousand years of reincarnating without rest and obsessing over his plans made Lahabrea a madman, and this needed neither being reiterated or explained further, nor is contraddicted by anything we saw during the storyline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    ARR Lahabrea:

    MWAHAHAHA HEART OF SABIK UNLEASH ULTIMA MWAHAHAHA MWAHAHAHAMWAHAHAHA

    EW Lahabrea:

    I am a cold father. I am stoic. I will do my duty.

    ???
    As much as you complain about things here, are you a cutscene skipper?

    They straight up show this in the quest. In case you missed it, the part he ripped away from himself was basically evil. By separating it, he lost too much of his power, and so he rejoined himself to it at the end. That side of him had a corrupting influence on the rest of him, which would eventually have driven him mostly insane and converted his stoic "protect the Star" viewpoint into "the ends justify the means" of getting it done, the same Emet/Thanos type of logic that makes sense but that normal people wouldn't employ and only hyper-rational people with an iron grip on their emotions close to sociopathy can stomach.

    I get you hate the game, but this is one critique that makes no sense as they pretty much spelled it out as simple as possible.

    ...doubly laughable since you were attacking the story in that other thread for being too overly simplistic yet you missed this somehow...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post

    They straight up show this in the quest. In case you missed it, the part he ripped away from himself was basically evil.
    He wasn’t evil, he just liked to laugh but the ancients have to be stoic or whatever to not lose their pensions and then his wife got half of everything in that he divorce so he seized his opportunity and became glum lahabrea.
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    isnt it because of the influence of sabik... he had that thibg a pretty long time
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    he was smart enough to ascend to the role of lahabrea on the convocation but not smart enough to figure out that thordan would immediately stab him in the back and vore him
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    Lonliness can work in a myriad ways! :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celine_Aurora View Post
    It's subtle, but hints were there since Abyssos. Hephaistos does not only represent Lahabrea's corruption by Athena, but also his more sentimental, impulsive side, for example it was said that without Hephaistos he was left without any strong feelings for his son.

    Now, we might not have seen an immediate villainous cackling at the end of this storyline, but we know Lahabrea is becoming more like Hephaistos, and we also know from his fight that Hephaistos absolutely loved creating big explosions while boasting about how he was gonna toast us. and this trait, Lahabrea inherited. We can read the subtext without being outright told that he's going to get more passionate about his work.

    The rest is already estabilished lore. Twelve thousand years of reincarnating without rest and obsessing over his plans made Lahabrea a madman, and this needed neither being reiterated or explained further, nor is contraddicted by anything we saw during the storyline.
    Basically in a nutshell Athena was hiding in the Heart of Sabik. Which Lahabrea had with him all the time. It's an Auracite. Which we know can screw with people in the long term. Add in the whole Hephaistos being essentially the mad version of Lahabrea and it's pretty clear that Lahabrea was gradually warped over time into the version we put down by both Athena's influence from the Heart of Sabik and constant body hopping wearing him down to the point he was susceptible.
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