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  1. #21
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    TowaIsBestGirl's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    I can't believe I'm agreeing with Zero.

    You are freezing to death. Someone lights a fire. But wait, we can't light a fire because everyone has PTSD and will freak out.
    You mistook a singular detail. We would not be incapable of lighting the fire due to all present being pyrophobic, but instead due to a single participant of said crowd possessing this trait. One would be sufficient, I should think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Oh yeah Im sure people with trauma and ptsd are clearing faking it. I wish I could see you trying to reason somebody that suffers from it the same logic you have and see if you can get through them as easily as you believe it to be so.
    I have a proposition for you. If you were faced with the choice of not lighting the fire and saving the pyrophobe's sanity, but to accomplish this means that the party would freeze to death; this is preeminently established to be the verified, inevitable result in this simulated scenario. Which do you choose? Do you light the fire and save the party, or do you take mercy on the pyrophobe and allow the party to perish?

    All this to say, yours is far from the only possible explanation for OP's train of thought. I do not believe the argument that you are attempting to combat has actually been made, to be frank.
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    Last edited by TowaIsBestGirl; 05-24-2023 at 02:14 PM.

  2. #22
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    Ren Thras
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    All I'm going to say is thirsty Estinian fans are in for a treat.
    As I said to some of my FC people who were borderline spoilering things:

    "No spoilers. But this patch did start off...spicy."

    The real juicy story was in the raid, though. That story AND the lore implications AND the things they brought back for it AND the bonus cutscene if you talk to the final quest turn-in guy a second time and pick the option about the Auracite (you MIGHT have had to do Ivalice to have that dialogue option...but surely everyone has by now, right?)

    Mm-mm! Juicy lore and so many questions still...
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    I can't believe I'm agreeing with Zero.

    You are freezing to death. Someone lights a fire. But wait, we can't light a fire because everyone has PTSD and will freak out.

    LOL ok. We can't just simply explain the situation to them (and probably 99% of them would understand since as Zero said they literally saw the voidsent). No. We have to be therapists and deal with grandma's superstition. LOOL

    Why is half of modern FF14 plot literally us being therapists to people. People see us and just traumadump at us??? For?? No?? Reason?????

    And seriously Zenos is not our friend. Literally WTF is that flashback

    This whole story just feels like a long checklist of places to go, people to meet, you talk to them for half a cutscene and its done

    Filler to the max
    I don't think you understood Zenos as character he is everything a friend an enemy, he saw us as somesort of Rival even if he was an antagonist he clearly saw us also as a friend
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  4. #24
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    Zenos was mid, bro shouldn't have had the chance to jump back onto the mortal coil in Stormblood tbh.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    I can't believe I'm agreeing with Zero.

    You are freezing to death. Someone lights a fire. But wait, we can't light a fire because everyone has PTSD and will freak out.

    LOL ok. We can't just simply explain the situation to them (and probably 99% of them would understand since as Zero said they literally saw the voidsent). No. We have to be therapists and deal with grandma's superstition. LOOL

    Why is half of modern FF14 plot literally us being therapists to people. People see us and just traumadump at us??? For?? No?? Reason?????

    And seriously Zenos is not our friend. Literally WTF is that flashback

    This whole story just feels like a long checklist of places to go, people to meet, you talk to them for half a cutscene and its done

    Filler to the max
    Someone isnt smart enough to understand trama. People irl react to simply being tapped on the shoulder because of past abuse n such. Its a very real thing.
    Hell even most you speak to don't want the Tower messed with. Now bringing forth a promising future with something tangible like trading that make sense. You're complaint is flat. "Oh we have to be therapists", no its called simply being human and caring for your fellow man. We're there to help them not impose.

    Modern XIV? How long have you been around?

    As for Zenos again you aren't paying attention.

    If anything I'd say your existence on these forums seems more checklisted than msq. You seemingly have to post a stupid take every so often that holds little to no weight. I can't say that at all or often with xivs msq
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  6. #26
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    at least the people in garlemald learnt that thavnairs merchants can protect them from that evil tower we reactivated... they may or may not heard about that

    thats some deep ptsd
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    Last edited by Asari5; 05-24-2023 at 05:12 PM.

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl View Post
    You mistook a singular detail. We would not be incapable of lighting the fire due to all present being pyrophobic, but instead due to a single participant of said crowd possessing this trait. One would be sufficient, I should think.



    I have a proposition for you. If you were faced with the choice of not lighting the fire and saving the pyrophobe's sanity, but to accomplish this means that the party would freeze to death; this is preeminently established to be the verified, inevitable result in this simulated scenario. Which do you choose? Do you light the fire and save the party, or do you take mercy on the pyrophobe and allow the party to perish?

    All this to say, yours is far from the only possible explanation for OP's train of thought. I do not believe the argument that you are attempting to combat has actually been made, to be frank.
    I have another proposition. When did I say to just give up? Did I say that "oh this person has trauma on this thing that clearly they need to confront to survive, so we'll just let the bad thing happen to them".

    My whole point is OP victim blaming the people who have it to just explain to them without never even trying to understand them. This is not how you get through to people, which is is the whole point of that scenario. You dont just forcefully do things your way.

    If OP is really just painting this as playing therapist to strangers and nothing else then I have concerns to how they function in normal society.
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    It's called "Trauma". Don't judge people if you never walk in their shoes.
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  9. #29
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    Zenos is our friend
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  10. #30
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    Ill say this as well. I get the frustration, people just dont have the patience for it, but that doesnt mean I also dont get THEIR frustration as well.
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