Healer Suggestions Megathread

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Another type of shield that would be interesting would be an unbreakable shield that blocks a certain amount of damage until it expires. Like if you have a shield of 10000 and you take 30000x3 damage, you'd only take 20000x3 damage.

I'd rather have an effect like that on some field effect like Sacred Soil rather than a regen.

Same. While they’re not exactly a definitive change to make healers significantly engaging, I still think it’s a good way to not invalidate WHM & AST too much. I.e. ever tried to heal Eudaimon Eorzea or Normal HH as a WHM/AST while your SCH/SGE co-healer just constantly shieldbotting everything? That felt like $h!tty. Because they overstepped all my heals/regens by simply negating all damage. Macro loses its effectiveness. Lilybell straight up wouldn’t proc at all.

I’m not saying to delete all the pure shields. But please at the very least make them behave differently, not a copy of 2.0. Galvanize with different icon color vfx, etc.

[Post]

Something that I'd like to say while we're talking about shield healers before I totally forget about them... is the fact that I couldn't help but think the shield healers' shields are.... bland. Boring. It's either purely to shield, or nothing.

Another 'type' of shield that I don't think I've ever seen in this game is something like this:

Grants a shield that reduces damage by [x]%. Will dissipates once [y] damage worth of cure potency is absorbed.

The closest one that we currently have right now is (Pan)haima. Functionally multiple layers of barrier that let some damage pierces through the shield while still retaining the remainder. These two kinda makes me think that SE was trying to replicate just that, but probably couldn't due to spagghetified coding or any other technical reasons.

This actually exists in PvP (where all the fun ideas are). SMN's radiant aegis is a 10000 shield that mitigates incoming damage by 20% while it holds. Can be used on others, too!

[SargeTheSeagull]

Yeah the medica 2 -> barrier idea was better in my head now that I actually think about it. Speaking of new healing mechanics, i wonder what the odds are of us ever getting heal absorbs in 14. For those not in the loop, a heal absorb is basically the opposite of a barrier. Your HP stays at X, but you cannot be healed above X until you receive Y healing. It's used pretty often in WoW as a throughput check and is even thrown out by dungeon mobs. Given 14's bananas amount of heal throughput that is almost never needed, something like that could be an interesting addition.

[Aravell]

I've seen people saying WHM should take inspiration from SMN, so I wanted to try my hand at designing something for it:

Tempered Soul - Upgrades from Presence of Mind, has the same effect but also grants 3 lilies (yellow, green and blue)

Afflatus Earthrend - Consumes 1 yellow lily and deals damage in a straight line from you to your target, grants 'Shroud of Earth' and 1 leaf on the white lily
Shroud of Earth effect: Grants a barrier to self worth 100% of max HP, reduces move speed by 30%, changes Glare to Stone, Dia to Break and Holy to Quake
Stone - Deals damage, adds a stack of 'Shards' on every hit
Break - Deals damage that increases depending on the stack of Shards on the target, consumes all stacks of Shards
Quake - Deals damage around you and applies Stun

Afflatus Tempest - Consumes 1 green lily and deals damage to your target and in an area around them, grants 'Shroud of Wind' and 1 leaf on the white lily
Shroud of Wind effect: Grants self sprint movement speed and every spell has a 1s cast time for the duration, changes Glare to Gale, Dia to Aero and Holy to Air Burst
Gale - Deals damage, deals increased damage if target has the Aero debuff
Aero - Deals damage over time
Air Burst - Deals damage to the target and in an area around them, applies Slow

Afflatus Deluge - Consumes 1 blue lily and deals damage around you in an area, grants 'Shroud of Water' and 1 leaf on the white lily
Shroud of Water effect: Grants self increased MP regeneration and applies Chainspell to self, making every second spell cast instant cast, changes Glare to Water, Dia to Osmose and Holy to Maelstrom
Water - Deals damage, additionally applies Drown (damage over time) if target has the Osmose debuff
Osmose - Deals damage and applies a debuff on the target that makes every attack on it restore your MP by 1%
Maelstrom - Deals damage to the target and in an area around them, consumes Drown to deal additional damage

Afflatus Purgation - Consumes 1 white lily and deals damage in a line from you to the target, also grants Regen to all allies nearby

Just a general outline, don't have time to math out potencies and durations yet.

[ty_taurus]

If I want to be nickpicky, while Aero's current effect is the DOT, thematically I'd want it to match Stone and Water as the standard GCD attack in your wind phase since "Aero" is the traditional wind elemental black magic spell in Final Fantasy, and "Tornado" and "Flood" would be your AOEs. It would be nice if the AOEs were in some way a part of single target gameplay, such as perhaps ShB Summoner's Fountain of Fire and Brand of Purgatory. It's not a very exciting way to utilize those, but I'd prefer that to them just being 'Dungeon Trash spells' considering they're formerly the master-level elemental spells from XI, and like holy, feels very underwhelming as just trash fodder buttons.

[Aravell]

It would be nice if the AOEs were in some way a part of single target gameplay, such as perhaps ShB Summoner's Fountain of Fire and Brand of Purgatory..

That's what I was trying to go for with the water phase, with your single-target filler buffing your AoE to where it's worth using. I was thinking if it would be a good idea to have them buff each other like Gibbet and Gallows on RPR, maybe that would work better.

[ForsakenRoe]

but I'd prefer that to them just being 'Dungeon Trash spells' considering they're formerly the master-level elemental spells from XI, and like holy, feels very underwhelming as just trash fodder buttons.

Unfortunately, BLM gives precedent to that with Flare and Freeze being 'dungeon trash spells' already. I'd have preferred for Flare to get a trait that makes it worth using as your ST finisher instead of Despair, but here we are

[ty_taurus]

Unfortunately, BLM gives precedent to that with Flare and Freeze being 'dungeon trash spells' already. I'd have preferred for Flare to get a trait that makes it worth using as your ST finisher instead of Despair, but here we are

Almost as if Despair never needed to be added into the game, along with many other ST/AOE exclusives added in future expansions: Xenoglossy, Shoha II, Auto Crossbow... For as shallow as Summoner is including its AOE buttons, consider how much more shallow it is when you consider that a major chunk of its actions are just AOE versions of the same thing.

I don't even understand why we need entirely divorced AOE standard attacks. I get wanting at least something that's single target to help pull individual enemies in the few environments where that actually matters, but other than mildly changing how the AOE rotation works, would Monk really be any different if Shadow of the Destroyer was an upgrade of Bootshine, Four-Point Fury was an upgrade of Twin Snakes, and Rockbreaker was an upgrade of Snap Punch? Your single target rotations would be the same, you'd just use one specific 1-2-3 for AOE.

[OliviaLugria]

Role Changes:
-Mp does not go to zero when dying.
-All shields stack.
-DPS equivalent to the tank role.

White Mage:
Design Goals: A healer focused on direct damage and healing on the GCD.
Trait Changes: Start with 3 lilies; Lilies take 20 seconds to bloom

DPS Kit
-Glare: Single Target filler spell
-Quaga: AOE filler spell
-Dia: Hard hitting AOE spell on a 30 second CD.
-Aquaga: DPS neutral movment tool with 2 charges with a 30 second CD.
-Aeroaga: Medium Damage AOE spell on a 15 second CD
-Holy: Big Damage AOE spell on a 1min CD
-Afflatus Misery: Unchanged
-Assize: Unchanged
-Seraph Strike: (Ogcd gap closer. Deals damage and grants a 10% defense buff to allies for 10 seconds. 90 second CD with 2 charges.

Healer Kit:
Cure II: unchanged
Medica III: Has the radius of medica with the targeting and potency of current Cure III
Afflatus Solace: unchanged
Afflatus Rapture: unchanged
Aqua Benison: Lily spell that combines the effects of Aquaveil and Divine Benison on a 90 second CD
Wind Ward: Lily spell that gives a 10% defense buff and a shield on a 90 second CD.
Liturgy of the Bell: Grants stacks of healing to nearby party members. Heals them upon getting hit. Can end the effect early with a repress.
Plenary Solace: Single target version of new Liturgy of the Bell
Benediction: unchanged
Benediction II: Heals party for 50% of their max hp with a 5min CD.

Utility Skills
Arise: Revives an ally with full hp with a long cast time
Temperance: unchanged
Cleric Stance (2min personal DPS buff)
Blooming Misery (Allows the casting of Afflatus Misery regardless of lilies spent. Will not reset any progress on the next Afflatus. 2 minute CD)

Play-style
White mage DPS will mostly still be their filler spell, but there's several additions to add to the variety of animations and button presses that should make for a simple but fulfilling rotation. I see it as something similar to machinist where they juggle their tools between their 1,2,3 combo.
Their healing kit is heavily focused on Lilies. You'll be getting a constant stream of them and some prominent abilities that white mage had were converted into lily skills. Often, the white mage will get to cast several lily abilities and then be able to fire an afflatus for a job well done. Benediction II and Arise make them amazing in saving the team in a pinch, but these situations might have occurred less often when the mitigation and shielding they provided is minimal. Of course, any of the other healers can help in this shortcoming.

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[OliviaLugria]

Scholar
Design Goals: Healing kit offers plenty of shields and regens. Their dps is structured around dot management and oGCD skills.
Trait Changes: Eos/Selene are automaticaly summoned when job is changed to or you are resurrected.

DPS Kit
Broil: unchanged
Art of War: unchanged
Aether Barrage: AOE cone spell with a 1min CD
Chain Stratagem: targeted AOE spell with a 100% chance to crit. Will also apply the chain stratagem debuff to enemies hit.
Bioylsis: unchanged
Miasmis: instant cast 18 second dot
Ruinous: instant cast 12 second dot
Energy Siphon: AOE oGCD that grants 20 faire gauge and 2 stacks of aetherflow (max 3) on a 30 second CD
Tri-disater: (AOE oGCD that deals additonal damage based on the number of dots on the target on a 15 second CD
Bane: AOE oGCD that deals damage based on the number of dots on the target and will spread the dots to other enemies hit on a 1 minute CD

Healing Kit
Aldoquium: unchanged
Succor: unchanged
Lustrate: unchanged
Indom: unchanged but with 1 second cool down
Excog: Unchanged, but can trigger manually
Sacred Soil: acts like the sage ability. Will give a 10% defense boost while also granting an Excog like effect to party members at higher levels. Can also be triggered manually.
Protraction: (unchanged)
Deployment Tactics: Grants a shield to nearby party members. No aldo required

Fairy Skills:
Consolation: heals and grants a shield to nearby party members. 2 charges with a 1 minute CD.
Blessed Dawn: Combines whispering dawn and fey blessing\
Fey Union: Unchanged
Fey Gathering: AOE version of Union

Utility:
Resurrection: Fast cast time revive spell. Hp on resurrection is unchanged
Expedient: unchanged
Libra: Single target debuff that lowers the damage dealt by a target on a 1 minute CD.

Play-style:

Dot upkeep isn't for everyone and that's fine. The staggering timers of the dots can throw off players and the oGCds in the kit reward proper dot usage. Energy Syphon now functions like Summoner's, which makes more sense conceptually. It being on 30seconds means you now get 4 aetherflow per minute, and it is now also not a dps loss to use them. I consider that interaction of trading damage for healing to be interesting, but with the new design of scholar I don't think it is necessary.
Their main gameplan for healing is to use one of their many shield options and mits before an attack and then use their regen tools afterwards. Each of their tools is a bit weak by itself, but when used in tandem with each other becomes incredibly powerful. They will struggle a bit with high burst of damage without using a lot of resources.

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