Did Zenos ruin Endwalker

[Oizen]

"And then Garlemald was destroyed off Screen"

ruined endwalker.

[Simple_Barghest]

The very mirror of us, the player

He is your foil. Don't get it twisted, Zenos 100% does not resonate or act as a good mirror for every single player or player-character. And I really wish the Zenos simps would get that through their heads already.

[Atelier-Bagur]

"And then Garlemald was destroyed off Screen"

ruined endwalker.

Lets not start telling lies. Shadowbringers killed Garlemald both on and off screen while we were messing around in the First. Endwalker was just the result of the missed potential that Shadowbringers started.

[Simple_Barghest]

Lets not start telling lies. Shadowbringers killed Garlemald both on and off screen while we were messing around in the First. Endwalker was just the result of the missed potential that Shadowbringers started.

Let's not leave A Realm Reborn and Heavensward out of this either, where we're 'told' that Garlemald had a massive civil war off-screen resulting in Varis becoming Emperor, which practically sets up the bowling pins for Zenos to knock down.
A country suffering two civil wars in such a short amount of time will do any nation dirty.

[Oizen]

so we're all in agreement that stormblood is the best expansion

[EliaStormblade]

so we're all in agreement that stormblood is the best expansion

Story-wise? Not at all, but I do believe it's unfairly maligned by a lot of people.

4.0 was mostly meh to me barring some few good moments like the Azim Steppe and a few bits of Yanxia, but it had really solid post-patches. I'd say everything put together, Stormblood's MSQ (4.0 and 4.x) might be equal to Heavensward's MSQ. (3.0 and 3.x)

[EgilTheStressedMage]

The amount of things they could have done with this character but chose not to because they didn't care. It's like no one on the team touched a single Final Fantasy until they got hired to create this game and the ones they have were forgotten.

[Gemina]

He is your foil. Don't get it twisted, Zenos 100% does not resonate or act as a good mirror for every single player or player-character. And I really wish the Zenos simps would get that through their heads already.

I think you meant to emphasize 'foil', but yeah that's what he is. Like Agent Smith to Neo. Sabertooth to Wolverine. Zod to Superman. Sasuke to Naruto. By 'mirror' they are equal or near equal in power, determination, and resolve. What Zenos haters need to realize is that's what he is meant to be.

The amount of things they could have done with this character but chose not to because they didn't care. It's like no one on the team touched a single Final Fantasy until they got hired to create this game and the ones they have were forgotten.

Like what? What exactly are the plethora of things they could have done with him?

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I think you meant to emphasize 'foil', but yeah that's what he is. Like Agent Smith to Neo. Sabertooth to Wolverine. Zod to Superman. Sasuke to Naruto. By 'mirror' they are equal or near equal in power, determination, and resolve. What Zenos haters need to realize is that's what he is meant to be.


Like what? What exactly are the plethora of things they could have done with him?

Have him hunt down and kill everyone precious to the WoL since the body possessing thing adds the possessed's memories as shown by Lahabrea in ARR. Take Zodiark's power for himself after Fandaniel is killed. Hell, change history so that he unwillingly becomes Zodiark's core after deciding to wipe out mankind to have his fight with the WoL on a mountain of corpses. Haunt the WoL with their own crimes by having the thoughts of their enemies screamed by their victims. Not be cast aside for the majority of EW like Emet-Selch absolutely would have been if ShB came out today. Not be reduced to a damn floor. Not have a solo instance that unlike Varis doesn't even get an Extreme version that could have acted as a gateway to an exploratory zone. Do something with the fact that he's the grandson of a damn Ancient. Add the damn side story to the game like everything else they should have as A) I ain't reading all that otherwise as it doesn't matter and B) it would have salvaged him at least.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

so we're all in agreement that stormblood is the best expansion

Ill die on the hill that I think Stormblood is better then Heavensward.
And for me the Crown is still Shadowbringers.

But every expansion has something to like about it, even 2.0: ARR or even the currently criticized Endwalker
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