Did Zenos ruin Endwalker

[TaleraRistain]

I'll bite a bit.

I don't think Zenos ruined Endwalker. I think a lot of people really like him, and enjoyed seeing his conclusion (please god, let that be his conclusion). I'll admit, him showing up and having a couple of the best quotes in the expansion doesn't hurt as well:

"I assume this is your prey. But why does it still live? Surely it is no match for you"

"I would have thought you to be above something so banal as despair. Am I mistaken?"

Especially after 20 hours of "oh woe is us", having him just laugh it off was pretty funny.

I loved that. I think we needed it. We had just sent our friends away. We were going to face this thing down alone. Probably thought we were going to die doing it.

Then Veget-er Zenos shows up like "WTF it's not dead yet?" with absolute confidence in us and no doubt in his mind that we could best it. Something pretty powerful in a realm where emotions are king.

[Carin-Eri]

I loved that. I think we needed it. We had just sent our friends away. We were going to face this thing down alone. Probably thought we were going to die doing it.

Then Veget-er Zenos shows up like "WTF it's not dead yet?" with absolute confidence in us and no doubt in his mind that we could best it. Something pretty powerful in a realm where emotions are king.

Nicely put!

Likely to be an unpopular opinion, but I loved Zeno's appearance in Ultima Thule. I mean, he sails the stars, breaks reality, shittalks the apocalypse and then basically tells you you are better than whatever the hell that thing is.... I was smiling like an idiot the whole time!

[HollowedDoll]

No, Creative Business Unit III did.

[MsQi]

If you are going to have an overbearing character like Zenos, forcing his way into the player's face, the only proper path is to allow the player to decide how to deal with him.

[IckeDerTyp]

As long as we somehow see him again, I'm more than happy with how EW Zenos went :3

[SassyAssassin]

Because Zenos is pretty and he makes us feel wanted

[SassyAssassin]

Zenos not dying in Stormblood ruined everything he's touched since then.

Finally an explanation for my feels feeling ruined

[Crushnight]

Do I think Zenos ruined EW’s story?, No.

Do I think Zenos was a necessary character for EW’s story?, No.

Zenos is incredibly superfluous to the entire story since his death back in 4.0, it caused glaring issues in the writing. Elidibus in Zenos’s body is only the height of a midlander, Zenos literally asspulled his way out of his 1st death by magically body hoping without ever knowing how to, what some players had to experience for years of seeing Zenos sit on his butt doing nothing, 6.0 deliberately written to make the WoL more battle/fight crazy than any expansion or patch did prior or since all to justify the 1v1 at the end of 6.0

If you took Zenos out of the plot after 4.0, the only thing you would need to get seriously think about is who would kill Varis, everything else can be left as is and nothing of importance would be lost to the narrative.

Zenos never drove the plot forward after 4.0 except for his killing of Varis and for an antagonist that’s is terrible for 2 nearly 3 expansions worth of story

EW story is caused by Amon, Hermes and Meteion as the actual antagonists

Zenos was just there an afterthought until “oh yeah we should do something with him”.

[TheMightyMollusk]

It's kind of hilarious when you realize that his entire character arc in EW is realizing how superfluous he is to everything going on. He finally butts into the Endsinger fight just to say "Alright, fine, let's just get this over with already so I can get my fight".

[EliaStormblade]

It's kind of hilarious when you realize that his entire character arc in EW is realizing how superfluous he is to everything going on. He finally butts into the Endsinger fight just to say "Alright, fine, let's just get this over with already so I can get my fight".

Feels wholly intentional. Most of Endwalker, he just spent floundering about, and then every interaction with him just puts great emphasis on how devoid of meaning his life is.