Please finally fix Tank, DPS and Healer roles SE

[Atelier-Bagur]

I know, I know, there's already multiple discussions of healers being useless thanks to the recent TOP victory without em but its really an underlying problem with the core design of the holy trinity and its just going to continue getting worse unless the dev team finally addresses it.

Here are the main issues with them that I personally see.

Tanks: Too much mitigation and self-healing. Warriors being a prime example of this where even the most casual players can see how OP they are in normal content. We need their mitigation and healing skills to be nerfed so that it doesnt fully take away a healer's job.

Healers: This has been said for so many years but lack of diverse support and damage with healers not only makes the job very boring but also redundant taking into account how well tanks can do their job. Two possible solutions for this is to either embrace the damage meta and allow healers to have more damage buttons or do what I would prefer and nerf tanks so hard that they cant survive without both healers and dps so that healers have a reason to use all of their bloated healing abilities.

DPS: Only issue I see with them is the oversimplification in their job design. Of course this doesnt apply to every dps job but a common argument thrown around the community is their lack of unique playstyles and the awful 2-minute burst meta. We can still keep them simple to play but there needs to be some bit of flexibility.

I'm not a hardcore player nor do I fully understand the game's meta but if a filthy casual like me can notice and agree upon a lot of the gripes with the current combat design then it's a real problem. The whole point of the holy trinity roles in MMOs is to give each player a task they themselves can only do in group content. If another role is outperforming the task of another role then the trinity is broken.

Either have a tanks, healers and dps, or just make every class role-less and do like what variant/criterion/eureka/bozja does and allow every class able to do everything.

[R041]

Lick Yoshi's toes in the next meet. Do it or we'll lose our Roles forever.

[GaiusDrakon]

They aren't going to fix anything lmao

The copium first started with MCH, when it was one of the first DPS jobs that truly got gutted and people believed it was so that SE can build upon it.

Look where we are now:
MCH, BRD, SMN, NIN, RDM, WAR...

It's not just healers. It's not just any particular role. It's the entire game.

Yoshi P already addressed this back in ShB and said they're going to completely ignore complaints and go full steam ahead.

Just play this game for the ERP and clubs.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Just play this game for the ERP and clubs.

Lick Yoshi's toes in the next meet. Do it or we'll lose our Roles forever.

Dumb Memes aside....

Warrior Self Sustain is a Huge Issue
While it was nice for a while to not have to try TO hard to keep the Tank alive, after a while I did start to feel a little useless as a Warrior Tank can pretty much do EVERYTHING.
I think they tried to fix this, but then people complained when Warrior was no longer the Big Badass anymore...so then they went back on it.
Its an issue thats hard to fix, partially because the playerbase wont let them.

Ive said before that I think Tanks and Healers should get more responsibilities, might shake up the encounters more, and make the Trinity stand out abit more, instead of EVERYONE just being a DPS....and so that Tank Self-Sustain doesn't completely replace Healers.
Im not sure how I feel about Summoners and/or Redmage losing their REZ ability, as it is a good backup if the healer dies.....but with tanks being able to take over healing, and these 2 DPSs being able to rez....it does take away use of a Healer. Which is a Feels bad Man.

[RyuDragnier]

Warrior Self Sustain is a Huge Issue
While it was nice for a while to not have to try TO hard to keep the Tank alive, after a while I did start to feel a little useless as a Warrior Tank can pretty much do EVERYTHING.
I think they tried to fix this, but then people complained when Warrior was no longer the Big Badass anymore...so then they went back on it.
Its an issue thats hard to fix, partially because the playerbase wont let them.

I'd say nerf it anyway. WARs are never going to have everything, and quite frankly, to hell with the fools who want it to. Drop those 400 potencies on Bloodwhetting and Nascent Flash to 300, make their heal procs be per weaponskill use and not per hit, and remove the HoT on Shake It Off. There, we've dragged WAR's healing back down to a manageable level.

[Iedarus]

I'd say nerf it anyway. WARs are never going to have everything, and quite frankly, to hell with the fools who want it to. Drop those 400 potencies on Bloodwhetting and Nascent Flash to 300, make their heal procs be per weaponskill use and not per hit, and remove the HoT on Shake It Off. There, we've dragged WAR's healing back down to a manageable level.

I don't know what the hell the team was thinking with having WAR heal off every enemy hit. I sure wish Holy Circle had the same mechanic. Just kidding, I don't want any more homogenization, but it does beg the question why the unga bunga great axe tank has more self sustain than the tank with the shield.

[RyuDragnier]

I don't know what the hell the team was thinking with having WAR heal off every enemy hit. I sure wish Holy Circle had the same mechanic. Just kidding, I don't want any more homogenization, but it does beg the question why the unga bunga great axe tank has more self sustain than the tank with the shield.

Because WAR has always been SE's "Golden Child". Whenever they want something, they get it.

[GoatOfWar]

I'd say nerf it anyway. WARs are never going to have everything, and quite frankly, to hell with the fools who want it to. Drop those 400 potencies on Bloodwhetting and Nascent Flash to 300, make their heal procs be per weaponskill use and not per hit, and remove the HoT on Shake It Off. There, we've dragged WAR's healing back down to a manageable level.

Remove equilibrium.

[Axxion]

Dumb Memes aside....

Warrior Self Sustain is a Huge Issue
While it was nice for a while to not have to try TO hard to keep the Tank alive, after a while I did start to feel a little useless as a Warrior Tank can pretty much do EVERYTHING.
I think they tried to fix this, but then people complained when Warrior was no longer the Big Badass anymore...so then they went back on it.
Its an issue thats hard to fix, partially because the playerbase wont let them.

Ive said before that I think Tanks and Healers should get more responsibilities, might shake up the encounters more, and make the Trinity stand out abit more, instead of EVERYONE just being a DPS....and so that Tank Self-Sustain doesn't completely replace Healers.
Im not sure how I feel about Summoners and/or Redmage losing their REZ ability, as it is a good backup if the healer dies.....but with tanks being able to take over healing, and these 2 DPSs being able to rez....it does take away use of a Healer. Which is a Feels bad Man.

does anyone remember the solo warrior run of p1?

[fulminating]

does anyone remember the solo warrior run of p1?

Solo gnb and solo pld p1n and I think p2n too?