TOP cleared with no healers

[ForteNightshade]

Monkey's paw just spasms wildly as SE completely misreads the situation at hand and somehow manage to dumb down healers even further.

Sadly, that is exactly what they'll do because we've already seen it happen. Bard was once the most popular DPS in the game but a handful of players would whine it was "too complex". Which led to the lobotomization it underwent from Shadowbringers onward all in the name of accessibility. Turns out making the job simpler didn't bring in as many new players but certainly drove away many who once liked Bard as it's tumbled all the way down to being the least played DPS. Even Black Mage is more popular nowadays.

The devs already know there is no satisfying everyone so they don’t even try. It’s good they don’t. I’m pretty sure if next expansion they gave healers mains everything they been asking for there will be people still complaining about something. The devs just can’t win.

These kinda post are so redundant now.

Thing is... they haven't really satisfied anyone here. Complaints about the monotony of healer gameplay isn't coming exclusively from the raid community. In fact, I've heard just as a loud a vocalization from mid-level and even casual players who don't partake in a lot of high end content, or any at all. They're also bored because half their kit is utterly meaningless. Lilybell isn't exciting to your average player because when will they ever use it? Not even a lot of the EXs this expansion demand it, much less 24 mans or dungeons. That isn't to say it doesn't have its uses in those content but when Assize and Asylum can handle everything, it's not exactly hype to have yet another heal. Not to mention more casual players are playing how the devs thinks we should: using Medica and Medica II. Which only nullifies the value of things like Lilybell futher.

There's such a thing is not trying to satisfy everyone and just satisfying no one instead. It's lazy design that we're four years into Healer's only gameplay loop being spam a single nuke 500 times. And no, that isn't a hyperbolic number. I've had 500+ casts of Glare in 24 mans, more than every other button combined.

[DiaDeem]

I rarely (if ever) get into the whole Healer convo because I really enjoy SCH as is, but... if this isn't a red flag, I don't know what is

Something definitely is broken if this is possible to do at all.

[TaleraRistain]

I rarely (if ever) get into the whole Healer convo because I really enjoy SCH as is, but... if this isn't a red flag, I don't know what is

Something definitely is broken if this is possible to do at all.

Agreed. It's something that takes exceptional coordination. However, the idea they could replace an entire role with the self-sustain from other classes is just completely broken. Especially a role that they've continuously said they want to have focus on healing. We're not being allowed to do our own role. I don't do this level of content but I've derped in a party before with a RDM or SMN and the group just leaves me on the floor because they don't need me. It's an awful feeling.

[DiaDeem]

Agreed. It's something that takes exceptional coordination. However, the idea they could replace an entire role with the self-sustain from other classes is just completely broken. Especially a role that they've continuously said they want to have focus on healing. We're not being allowed to do our own role. I don't do this level of content but I've derped in a party before with a RDM or SMN and the group just leaves me on the floor because they don't need me. It's an awful feeling.

I'm not even the type that wants a bunch of DPS buttons back, I wanna interact more with my Fairy. I keep imagining this system that's like XII or XIII where we work on the Fairy's AI before content for her to fulfill different roles depending on the situation, and maybe like in XIII we can switch her to a "DPS Mode" just like the Schemata system. So then she starts buffing people or throwing little DOTs of herself, and then we switch back to Heal Mode when the situation calls for it... or something, I dunno. There was this time on a regular dungeon where I died to something the boss did, and I don't quite remember what it was, but what I remember is that the Warrior couldn't care less if I was alive or not. He solo healed himself and the party cleared the boss, which is great but... it also isn't. I shrugged it off at the time, but it's hardly an isolated case. And again: I enjoy SCH as is, but something is just off when these situations are becoming more common.

[NekoMataMata]

Joy. Now we're going to have to deal with SE making judgements on the game because of midcore players taking the actions of top tier players who are playing the highest tier of combat duties as law.

[Tint]

Joy. Now we're going to have to deal with SE making judgements on the game because of midcore players taking the actions of top tier players who are playing the highest tier of combat duties as law.

Well you don't have to be a top tier player to replace the healer role in easier content.

It doesn't happen commonly because the duty finder needs healers to pop and people are just too lazy to build their own groups without a healer or just one for 8-man content.

The entire healing system is in dire need of a rework...

[NekoMataMata]

Well you don't have to be a top tier player to replace the healer role in easier content.

It doesn't happen commonly because the duty finder needs healers to pop and people are just too lazy to build their own groups without a healer or just one for 8-man content.

The entire healing system is in dire need of a rework...

Not really denying that, just more so denying that this should be used as evidence. From what most people have explained, the game tries to force you to use a healer in TOP and they found a really inconvenient strategy around that just to do it for fun and to see if they could?

It doesn't speak for the entire game really. I am in agreement that healers need a rework though.

[Gemina]

Joy. Now we're going to have to deal with SE making judgements on the game because of midcore players taking the actions of top tier players who are playing the highest tier of combat duties as law.

Basically my thoughts. Throughout MMO history, situations such as this that make what shouldn't be possible, possible. It takes exceptionally skilled and coordinated players to pull off. Meanwhile, for us scrubs, plenty of situations that warrant healers are all over the place. I still haven't cleared Rubicante EX without the group getting busted up by Immolation with spread AoEs. I also just recently had a Orbonne run where about 2/3rds of the alliance was wiped out by the combined mechanics prior to the phase transition for the last boss. There was no way that raid was going to get saved without healers.

I've said it many times here. The more skilled a group is, the less they need healers. It's not news, and has been this way for a very long time. That doesn't mean I'm ok with that. It's kind of a bummer that healers are needed more the less skilled a group is. It's one of my biggest gripes in this game. However, if they scale up healing requirements, clear rates will drop like an anvil in a shallow lake.

This won't do anything to change the dev's stance on healing. They might congratulate the players that accomplished this feat though. It really is exceptional, and hats off to them.

[MisterNublet]

However, if they scale up healing requirements, clear rates will drop like an anvil in a shallow lake.

Might have the opposite effect. [Skilled] Healers might return to the job because the current design is atrocious and boring to play.

Before someone brings up this current savage tier, I can already tell you don't play a healer if you think MIT checks are heal checks.

This won't do anything to change the dev's stance on healing. They might congratulate the players that accomplished this feat though. It really is exceptional, and hats off to them.

You're right, they won't. The dev team is showing just how mediocre they are with Endwalker, and it'll just be more of the same come next expansion. Just means more people will either ditch the Healer role, or quit the game come 7.0.

[Gemina]

Just means more people will either ditch the Healer role, or quit the game come 7.0.

What actually makes you think either of those will happen, other than wishful thinking?

Try this, go to Radz at Han, Limsa, and Gridania and fill the chat logs with shouts that TOP was cleared without healers, and see what kind of response you get.