What is the point of arguing whether having less grind or more grind is good design?

[dspguy]

In my opinion, the only true "unique" relic was Eureka. There was no way to earn it outside of running that content. Sure, Bozja had a few steps "locked in" but most of it was optional and could be earned elsewhere:

- ARR: run dungeons, FATEs, grind tomestones for various tokens (Alexandrite maps, oils, atma books, etc), run old content for light farm.
- HW: run dungeons, FATEs, grind tomestones for various tokens (aether oil, umbrite, ink, clusters, beast tribe items), run more old content dungeons/trials
- SB: Eureka only
- ShB: Grind tomestones from running old content, earn tokens in Bozja or from FATEs, run leveling roulette, run ARR/HW/SB 24-man raids for tokens and HoH for tokens

Other than SB, all of the other ones focus around running old content... so how is grinding tomestones for the EW relic really any different than these previous relics? Instead of grinding 1500 of them, do you want to buy 5 100 tomestone items, 2 250 tomestone items and 1 500 tomestone item and turn them into various NPCs to progress the quest?


Same with HW and ARR relics. Much of those were all about obtaining certain items by either spending poetics or beast tribe quests, etc. ARR mixed in FATEs, Levequests, etc. It was sort of a "capstone" questline.
However, SB relics remain the only relic that has the entire content all wrapped up in those four Eureka zones.

[CelestiCer]

Other than SB, all of the other ones focus around running old content... so how is grinding tomestones for the EW relic really any different than these previous relics? Instead of grinding 1500 of them, do you want to buy 5 100 tomestone items, 2 250 tomestone items and 1 500 tomestone item and turn them into various NPCs to progress the quest?

Because Endwalker's Relic grind to me came with so little Content with it compared to the previous Relic grind of Shadowbringers. No furniture, no extra glamour, no cards, no raids, the only thing we do is tome farm with my job made less engaging in EW. With the difficulty being non-existing? it truly feels like I achieved nothing. Just a shiny weapon glam that I personally don't even like that doesn't even increase my ilvl, so that's also pointless.

Making a grind tedious and difficult for the sake of making it tedious and difficult is not good, but they could have done way more. EW's relic grind has at least compared to the previous expansion of SHB amounted to laziness and just a lot less of everything to go with obtaining a Relic. That's how it is different to me, it's less fun, less rewarding and a lot more boring to do.