Crystalline Conflict Party (with Friends) Request:

[RyanCousland]

Always about the friends. Maybe you should seek a therapist, and stop projecting your insecurities about your relationships with others onto me. I pity someone like you who isn't capable of self reflection.

I'm done with you, and your blockhead takes. You're clearly lacking reading comprehension, or the ability to use your brain to contemplate whether or not anyone would find it fun to play against a premade as a solo queue player.

the issue isnt whether or not if anyone would find premades fun its a matter of how many, considering that this is an MMO its odd that almost every aspect has a an option to play with friends whereas pvp seems exclusionary to that, ive que synced casual and i can say having 2 out of 5 people you know and can communicate with doesnt really move the needle all that much considering youre still reliant on the majority i would however say that having a premade v premade mode as suggested earlier would be neat but apparently they did that and it didnt work as to the validity/credibility on the person that informed of that i cant say but i think a smaller scale would be better were they to try again

[4clubbedace]

let duos in casual, leave ranked solo

if you want authentic solo play just keep doing ranked

[Valence]

Yet again ignoring all of my points, as to be expected from Ransu. Explain how a 2/3 man premade would be fun to play against as a solo queue player. If it's not fun then your point has been proven wrong.

By having your team also fielding a 2/3 premade. Your stats are now even again on averages.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

By having your team also fielding a 2/3 premade. Your stats are now even again on averages.

Pretty much this. And even if not, a single duo is not guaranteed to win a match.

1.) The duo could be two newbies just trying the game together
2.) The duo could be just doing weird meme combos involving knockbacks just to annoy ppl
3.) The solo players still present could very much outperform the duo and break them up by killing one half of them.

Fearing duos feels nonsensical to me on every skill level.

[Phylecia]

Of course its about friends...that's the entire damn point is to have fun playing with friends. I really don't care about your whining about "premades" in casuals. The same people that cry about "premades" are the same people that do 100k damage and die 6 times.

This!!! ^^^ "Of course its about friends...that's the entire damn point is to have fun playing with friends." Literally THE POINT I've worked so hard to articulate/convey this idea, I can explain it to people until I'm blue in the face; I just wish I could understand it for them too.

IF this ask/request has gotten through to anyone; mission accomplished; Ransu obviously 'gets it'.

Never met you, I don't know you, BUT I'd like to believe had we met we'd hit-it-off, and maybe even enjoy some CCs together. Oh wait... never mind, you can't enjoy a 'team based' game mode with your friends.

Like I SO BAD want to send anyone 'not getting it' to an amusement park completely alone, enjoy the rides, enjoy the cotton candy etc but the catch is aside of the sound of rides operating themselves all automated; you're COMPLETELY alone. If you can really get with that idea, you'll quickly understand why CC is mediocre--going to an amusement park, alone, is also mediocre, BUT anyone can see how amazing it would be with friends and family along, with you, for the ride.

For the record, SE, it doesn't NEED to be mediocre; it could be AMAZING!; it's literally something a coder could probably implement on a lunch break and then 'fun' could be a thing, just sayin'. At the very worst extreme, it blows up in our faces (severely doubt that) and ya just turn it back off, but I don't think that's gonna happen. I do TRULY believe, if anything, you'll see a significant rise in people playing/enjoy the game mode.

Thanks.

[Archeron]

This!!! ^^^ "Of course its about friends...that's the entire damn point is to have fun playing with friends." Literally THE POINT I've worked so hard to articulate/convey this idea, I can explain it to people until I'm blue in the face; I just wish I could understand it for them too.

Like I SO BAD want to send anyone 'not getting it' to an amusement park completely alone, enjoy the rides, enjoy the cotton candy etc but the catch is aside of the sound of rides operating themselves all automated; you're COMPLETELY alone. If you can really get with that idea, you'll quickly understand why CC is mediocre--going to an amusement park, alone, is also mediocre, BUT anyone can see how amazing it would be with friends and family along, with you, for the ride.

An amusement park has NOTHING to do with PvP. This is a stupid comparison. We already have a "team based mode" to play with your friends. It's called frontlines. Do you need your friends to hold your hand in every piece of content possible in this game? I don't. Go ahead and hurl insults at me, I don't care - It just proves you have zero arguements to make, and that you have no intention of understanding why there would be a major pushback against it.

You can say "Oh it'll be balanced we'll just make the premades wait in queue for 15 minutes while another premade puts itself in queue for a fair match"

-Nobody is going to sit in queue for 15+ min for a duo/trio match, and we'd have more whining and complaining on the forums about how long it takes to queue in.

-It'll never be balanced because the premade groups will always have superior communication, especially if they're in a voice chat on discord.

-Newbies and the community at large Do not find CC fun, or enjoyable. Premades aren't going to change that. You can pound your chest as much as you like. Go ask some players in major cities what they think of CC. The answer is usually "I don't PvP", or "PvP is awful." Playing with your friend isn't going to make that any more enjoyable.

-Coordinated premades are just going to farm all the series XP and wolf marks they can at the expense of everyone else. Something nobody seems to care about, y'know the OTHER people who are filling the spots in your matches?

-"Just do ranked, lul" No. What if I don't feel like putting my rank on the line? What if I want to try out a new job? Should I just submit myself to the pummeling of premades that would infest casual? No thanks. There is nothing at stake for a win/loss in casual. It's a more relaxed atmosphere to practice jobs before ranked. I DO NOT WANT premades in my casual matches.

-Frontline 4man queue exists. Oh, you don't find frontlines fun?! Well thats the price of saying "That mode doesn't matter, it's just random casual nonsense. Let us do whatever we want to it."

[Phylecia]

Go ahead and hurl insults at me, I don't care - It just proves you have zero arguements to make, and that you have no intention of understanding why there would be a major pushback against it.

Woh!? At no point did I insult you... seriously!? (meanwhile you call my comparison 'stupid' and say I need my hand held)

My point was analogous--an analogy; I'm completely lost how (even more so why) you took personal offense at all?

Like being butt-hurt makes no sense to the idea of the original topic of saying, can there, please, be a queue to allow friends to party with friends?

Like NOW i do have to ask; do you really have no friends to PvP with like that one dude was sayin? Like IS that why you hate the idea so much? Hell I'll be your friend; I'll queue matches with you if SE ever makes it a thing, seriously.

Hell, SE is literally having premades as there big event in Vegas or something (i thought i read); I'd argue the only way to have an actual ranked match would be PICKING your teammates, assuming we're making an entire 5v5, which isn't what I was asking for, but just an observation.

Like it's off-topic, but 'ranked' is a HUGE joke given you never get to choose your team and you're 1/5--20%; that's 80% out of your control as far as THE TEAM goes. I literally had a person, in 'ranked', join my team, spamming laugh and stay up on the spawn area and let us get 4 v 5, and it was very one-sided--we lost; I guess I wasn't 'skilled' enough to pull out that win that time lol

I've gotten crystal before, but to anyone that's asked, I'll say what I've said when I did finally get it, yes your skill does factor in, but AT BEST, roughly 20% and really you just need to keep rolling the dice, you'll eventually hit it, it just takes A LOT of dice rolling--anyone rolling a 1d100 enough times will get a 100 to pop up, imo that's ranked CC pretty much. For that reason I really don't enjoy it, unless you can cheese a gimmick like NINs LB, you're pretty much at the mercy of whatever the queue puts you in, you can't learn your team or get better as a team, because there's no 'team'; it's just a buncha random dudes that show up with their own agenda (their OWN idea on how they're gonna play the match).

Back on topic, WITH friends however; I could see playing matches to be a lot of fun, again, I'd even go 2v2, having 2 friends, on the opposite team for some friendly competition.

[Ransu]

An amusement park has NOTHING to do with PvP. This is a stupid comparison. We already have a "team based mode" to play with your friends. It's called frontlines.

How about no because I do not like FL.

Do you need your friends to hold your hand in every piece of content possible in this game? I don't. Go ahead and hurl insults at me, I don't care - It just proves you have zero arguements to make, and that you have no intention of understanding why there would be a major pushback against it.

The friends I'd play with do not normally pvp in this game, so no I don't need "my hand held." I simply just want to play with friends. I know, difficult concept for a loner like you.

-It'll never be balanced because the premade groups will always have superior communication, especially if they're in a voice chat on discord.

And this is how we know you don't play games with friends. Most "premades" (lmao) are just a group of friends BSing in discord. Aint no one doing callouts and taking a casual queue super serious. We're literally just screwing around and trying to have fun.

-Newbies and the community at large Do not find CC fun, or enjoyable.

Here's a thought.... Don't play pvp then. People who do not like pvp being a reason for us to not have group queues is silly.

-Coordinated premades are just going to farm all the series XP and wolf marks they can at the expense of everyone else. Something nobody seems to care about, y'know the OTHER people who are filling the spots in your matches?

I literally do not need a "premade" to do that. I've already reached series 25. It doesn't take that long. And who the hell farms wolf marks? The game gives them out like candy. I'm constantly capped on those things and trading them in for grade 8 dark matter to give to my raid tank for free repairs.

-"Just do ranked, lul" No. What if I don't feel like putting my rank on the line? What if I want to try out a new job? Should I just submit myself to the pummeling of premades that would infest casual? No thanks. There is nothing at stake for a win/loss in casual. It's a more relaxed atmosphere to practice jobs before ranked. I DO NOT WANT premades in my casual matches.

lul yes, just do ranked. I also think its funny you believe "premades" will "infest" the casual queue.

-Frontline 4man queue exists. Oh, you don't find frontlines fun?! Well thats the price of saying "That mode doesn't matter, it's just random casual nonsense. Let us do whatever we want to it."

This just screams "I don't have friends."

[Kathleen_]

We already have a "team based mode" to play with your friends. It's called frontlines.

Until they gut FL parties further because you baboons keep complaining about FL premades. lol

[Nubrication]

I'd like to put out that, overall, CC is a very fun PvP format; I love it!

BUT...

It goes from being, what would be, a 10/10 experience to like... 6/10 when I'm online and I'll have say 2~3 friends pop-on and we can't play it together.

I KNOW...

If we want to find a 4th~5th person, then go in finder, try to find another group of 5, just like us. We then, after ideally not too many hours, will get to do the thing until people need to dip-out/leave.

^^^ BUT this example is exactly why we don't, like the game has a perfectly good awesome system that you can queue for doing "the thing" you want to do.

It doesn't need to be ranked, like just being causal; hell you could even have no reward (lets be honest, the destination is the journey; rewards are meh) Let us, (let ME) queue with a friend or two into a CC matches!

How to do it:
Make it it's own queue type--anyone queuing in, that queue, will know they could be getting matched against random pair-ings of 2-3s making teams of 5.

Make it none ranked, it's just for marks and fun. I'D play the hell out of this!!!

I have friends that say, in honesty, if it were a simple queue and we'd just play the game together they'd gladly do it; like the only thing making it not a thing is just not being given the option to queue in, in the first place and having to do way to much time peopling (messaging/shouting) really makes a 4~5 hour night go by fast with no actual fun happening many times; I hate that.

MOST people just wanna queue, get snack, use the bathroom etc (while they wait) no one wants to sit in PF and shout and message/send tells to people for, potentially, hours on the 'maybe chance' that fun might happen.

I'm asking, you, SE, to REALLY LOOK and think just how small of an ask this is and how AMAZING this game type would be if you had such a simple thing added in.

Anyone reading this, please up-vote if you agree, and provide feedback if I'm missing anything. I can't imagine any negatives as it's a choice to queue into it being it's own queue type; IF there is though definitely share how to make this idea even better.

Please and Thanks You!

Totally agree. As long as they keep solo queue separate (you won’t have someone in your team who queued solo). Basically you should only be able to queue as a party of 2, 3 or 5.