The truth is we need a remastered XI or a follow up

[Boblawblah]

I could see them maybe going for a combo deal IF the combo was more expensive, but not as expensive as the two separate subs. Say like $20 USD for a premium sub or something that included both games. I doubt it though, we've seen SE just shut down a game completely instead of selling it for less.

[SilverObi]

Considering EW finally finished (or nearly finished) importing XI's monster models, there's not much of a technical reason XI can't be remade with better graphics and QoL improvements but there is the financial hurdles and possible waste of investment.

I was looking forward to the canceled XI remake despite it aiming for mobile and was frustrated that it got axed after years of no info. After just about 20 years of playing XI I would love nothing more than a modernized version carrying over most of the QoL they've added through the years and with a tweaked progression system to avoid the "grind for hours per day" gameplay that still exists at the max levels if you want to make any meaningful progression past 99.

XI and XIV scratch different itches (hell even 1.0 had some perks compared to pre-Abyssea XI) and having a joint sub to play both would be great even if I had to endure a price hike. As it is now most of my time spent in XI is working on the legendary fishing rods lol endgame has long since burned me out there (bring back Monstrosity you COWARDS)

[Amenara]

I just had to world transfer to Bahamut because Asura was way too busy. Every city I went to I was hitting player visibility cap and way too much merc spam. lol

Well if you ever want company for anything I am also on Bahamut playing a Blue Mage as well.

Also, holy crap what a good month to get trusts. Sakura, Moogle, King of Hearts, Shantotto II, Qultada, list goes on and on.

[R041]

Well if you ever want company for anything I am also on Bahamut playing a Blue Mage as well.

Also, holy crap what a good month to get trusts. Sakura, Moogle, King of Hearts, Shantotto II, Qultada, list goes on and on.

Thanks! I always want company and new.. More? More friends haha

I'm just Oidi on Bahamut


If I'm not running around with someone, it's at least chatting with ppl on XI Discord or LS. The community has been super friendly. And the event going on has a bunch of free stuff!
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Mandrag...a_Madness_2022

This what I got so far

[Amenara]

Thanks! I always want company and new.. More? More friends haha

I'm just Oidi on Bahamut


If I'm not running around with someone, it's at least chatting with ppl on XI Discord or LS. The community has been super friendly. And the event going on has a bunch of free stuff!
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Mandrag...a_Madness_2022

This what I got so far

I am usually on Rhelaa or Rhels, though I probably wont be on till the weekend, work

I think if SE did something like buying the Horizon private server's source code from them (those people did a lot of work, only fair to compensate them), and then made that as a live service, it would be super popular, because then you'd have people like me that are iffy on private servers jumping all over it. The fact it doesn't require PlayOnline and have native controller support is amazing, and using that as a basis, SE could make different era servers and let people play on them in an officially supported capacity.

The FFXI 75 era "Source code" is open source on git hub but as said before is a recreation of the original game as the original game's code doesn't exist anywhere anymore, even SE doesn't have it.

[Luluna]

I love FFXI I played from around 2004 to 2010 and then left for XIV. I did go back for a little while but now it is when they have a free login. The game is old now but I much prefer the world it is full of atmosphere and danger. The one thing I can not feel in XIV is atmosphere the world is dead and empty and the mobs are boring. In FFXI the rain the wind the ferry rides everything beats FFXIV hand down. On the other side to this though the game could be too hard for getting things done at times.

I remember doing the cop missions and it took us around 6 months because where a static and some people worked away and we waited but when that mission was done it was such a sense of joy for beating it as it was so difficult. I love exploring in XI but now it is dated as it is old and V1.0 had a lot of very similar things some bad but the ferry rides the world where much better. If they could remake somehow I would play it but I would hate to see it turned into another wow clone that was the charm of XI and wow never appealed to me.

[Blossoming]

I love FFXI I played from around 2004 to 2010 and then left for XIV. I did go back for a little while but now it is when they have a free login. The game is old now but I much prefer the world it is full of atmosphere and danger. The one thing I can not feel in XIV is atmosphere the world is dead and empty and the mobs are boring. In FFXI the rain the wind the ferry rides everything beats FFXIV hand down. On the other side to this though the game could be too hard for getting things done at times.

I remember doing the cop missions and it took us around 6 months because where a static and some people worked away and we waited but when that mission was done it was such a sense of joy for beating it as it was so difficult. I love exploring in XI but now it is dated as it is old and V1.0 had a lot of very similar things some bad but the ferry rides the world where much better. If they could remake somehow I would play it but I would hate to see it turned into another wow clone that was the charm of XI and wow never appealed to me.

This 100%! The actual world itself is incredible even now, all the small details and atmosphere still is just so awesome and you’re right it’s something XIV lacks which is a bummer, running through pashow marshlands with it raining, you hear the slog of your shoes as you come up on the bridge, you hear all the wildlife around you while making sure you dodge the quadav that inhabit the marsh. I’ve always ended up finding the little landmarks in XI and just thinking how beautiful they were to me, I still play it now and while it’s been more modernized with QoL it most certainly could use a UI update, there is an addon for XIV hot bar/UI elements you can use via windower but it still does have some of the core aspects that made it special. I’m actually playing with a few people from this thread now on Bahamut!

[R041]

The game is old now but I much prefer the world it is full of atmosphere and danger. The one thing I can not feel in XIV is atmosphere the world is dead and empty and the mobs are boring. In FFXI the rain the wind the ferry rides everything beats FFXIV hand down. On the other side to this though the game could be too hard for getting things done at times.

This 100%! The actual world itself is incredible even now, all the small details and atmosphere still is just so awesome and you’re right it’s something XIV lacks which is a bummer, running through pashow marshlands with it raining, you hear the slog of your shoes as you come up on the bridge, you hear all the wildlife around you while making sure you dodge the quadav that inhabit the marsh.

The atmosphere in XI has hit me pretty hard. I'd say the only kinda "Meh" was at first when I started in san d'oria and ran outside, because the town and the field just seemed very generic medieval fantasy MMO for the first hour (were they trying to copy something?), and didn't feel FF. I almost wish I started in a different town, but I'm already in too deep now I think. But also it made the travel to the other towns way more enjoyable because their music and environments are awesome.

It's doing a good job of making everything it presents as pretty impactful, and because there's plenty of reasons to go to and from.. Everywhere. It all stays with me.

I always felt like XIV kinda just pushes me forward at lightspeed, and because of the constant cutscenes and railroading, I don't get a good sense of the environment. They're just braindead NPCs poking at a garden or something. I probably had that feeling way back on ARR release when it was much slower, but not now.

In XI, I've been actually talking to random NPCs and checking in on what's going on with their lil lives, see if the crazy stuff they talk about leads to maybe a chain of quests (they sometimes do). I think a big part of me even wanting to be more engaged with the environment and the people has to do with risk and reward being pretty grounded (To me so far). In XIV, I can talk to an NPC and I know there's a quest because of the markers. Then there's gonna be a reward, and I know it's probably just like 500gil and a sandwich.

Like if you look back at some of the older RPGs, Ultima series is a good example - They don't have much. But what they do have is extremely varied and rewarding just because of how overall itemization, interaction, and risk is designed. XI kinda brings me back to that.

I'm rambling, but.. I'm just soaking it all up and enjoying my time. lol

[Payotz]

I always felt like XIV kinda just pushes me forward at lightspeed, and because of the constant cutscenes and railroading, I don't get a good sense of the environment. They're just braindead NPCs poking at a garden or something. I probably had that feeling way back on ARR release when it was much slower, but not now.

That's pretty much the design of XIV. It's always been made as a "baby's first MMO" type thing where they sanitize the experience and establishes all kinds of handrails so you don't fail, get frustrated, and leave the game. It's a very handholdy approach to MMOs, which isn't really a bad thing. It's just not an MMO for players that are looking for a deeply personalized gameplay experience. It's an extremely cookie-cutter experience that's made for people who don't want the burden of choice, and that is completely fine. There's a market for that.

The one thing that kept me coming back is that despite the cookie-cutter experience, despite the skill floor, there was a lot of complexity. It just didn't force the average player through it, who probably don't wanna deal with it. For such a cookie-cutter casual experience, there was a complex PvE experience, that is completely optional, accessible because of how low the skill floor is, and used to maintain its complexity just because it's optional and that felt good.

Well, it felt good until Shadowbringers at least. But it is what it is.

[R041]

That's pretty much the design of XIV. It's always been made as a "baby's first MMO" type thing where they sanitize the experience and establishes all kinds of handrails so you don't fail, get frustrated, and leave the game. It's a very handholdy approach to MMOs, which isn't really a bad thing. It's just not an MMO for players that are looking for a deeply personalized gameplay experience. It's an extremely cookie-cutter experience that's made for people who don't want the burden of choice, and that is completely fine. There's a market for that.

The one thing that kept me coming back is that despite the cookie-cutter experience, despite the skill floor, there was a lot of complexity. It just didn't force the average player through it, who probably don't wanna deal with it. For such a cookie-cutter casual experience, there was a complex PvE experience, that is completely optional, accessible because of how low the skill floor is, and used to maintain its complexity just because it's optional and that felt good.

Well, it felt good until Shadowbringers at least. But it is what it is.

Yeah, it's frustrating for me because I can all too easily gobble up the XIV content the way it's designed as a VN and then don't really get to experience the environment.

Take Dark Souls as an example (sorry I keep using this), I have never felt like there wasn't enough to do, and I'll praise that series forever because it provides a good casual challenge. I can definitely admit it's not for everyone, so they won't get the same enjoyment as I would. BUT I can also coop basically the whole game and help my pals out, let them experience the environment and story. Well, and it doesn't ask for a subscription. lol

I think if XIV separated out the VN and Housing, made it so you didn't have to sub, but you could sub for perks like a guaranteed house.. This would all be a completely different and more enjoyable experience.

I do also really like XIV boss DDR..

I tried to play retail (as I said in my earlier post), but it was all "Use Trusts to level and then we'll party with you to do stuff once you're max level". That just sucks to me in a game that's not built for it. FFXIV is built for solo leveling, FFXI is not. FFXI is very much a "the journey IS the destination", but the fact you CAN solo it means everyone is now EXPECTED to solo it, making the destination the destination instead of the journey. Old school MMOs only work because people can take things at a more gradual pace and chat with people and make friends along the way. Taking a knee to regen mana isn't that big a deal if you have people to talk to. It's a much bigger deal if it's just you and a posse of NPCs standing around you staring into the void until you pull another mob.

I think you had an opportunity there that might've been missed. And obviously I wouldn't promise that you'd find some kinda companionship. But it really just sounds like you were talking to the wrong kinda Linkshell. There are several very friendly newbie focused Linkshells on Bahamut that I'm seeing. That and the XI Discord. Plenty of people grouping up, because you can still summon Trusts in a party if you're lead.