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    Quote Originally Posted by Rehayem View Post
    No, you're still missing my entire point. I keep saying with Endwalker, there has been "less" to do. If you're happy with the current state the game is, that is perfectly fine, but I am not those kind of people, I want to keep myself busy. If I want to play other games, I will. If I were a raider, I would raid and still play other games because it's my choice alone, and so is yours and the next person's as well. As I said before, less grind =/= lack of content. If SE wants less grind, then they should double to content with something to do. Manderville relics are a prime example on how divided the community is. That being said, no one is shackled to FFXIV, and it's my choice alone to make this game my only game to play. I still have plenty to do, but it's nothing that's "current" so to speak.
    How would they have more to do without grindy/repetitive content? Even the prior relics were repetition-based for the most part.

    For the sake of understanding, what were you spending your time on in the past that is missing now? A lot of the base content is still the same as we have always gotten, just now we have Islands/Criterion Dungeons instead of the Relic grind zones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    How would they have more to do without grindy/repetitive content? Even the prior relics were repetition-based for the most part.

    For the sake of understanding, what were you spending your time on in the past that is missing now? A lot of the base content is still the same as we have always gotten, just now we have Islands/Criterion Dungeons instead of the Relic grind zones.
    I don't think I understand your question. Island Sanctuary is automated, Deep Dungeon is like any other, Criterion can be cleared few times and then you don't touch it again. What's else there? You have the raids for raiders, but not everyone does raiding. I've cleared Manderville relics in about 2 weeks, and that's going slow, with daily roulettes alone.

    If you're happy with that, I mean, that's fine, everyone has different tastes and all of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rehayem View Post
    I don't think I understand your question. Island Sanctuary is automated, Deep Dungeon is like any other, Criterion can be cleared few times and then you don't touch it again. What's else there? You have the raids for raiders, but not everyone does raiding. I've cleared Manderville relics in about 2 weeks, and that's going slow, with daily roulettes alone.

    If you're happy with that, I mean, that's fine, everyone has different tastes and all of that.
    Well....I've been doing relics and only have 4 of them finished. So I think what we consider "slow" or not spending much time on will vary between players.

    I think outside of a relic grind, was there other content you spent time on in the past that you don't have a new EW version of now?

    I think Criterion not being good long-term content is a great critique, and if these are supposed to be a replacement for something missing I agree they probably missed the mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    Well....I've been doing relics and only have 4 of them finished. So I think what we consider "slow" or not spending much time on will vary between players.

    I think outside of a relic grind, was there other content you spent time on in the past that you don't have a new EW version of now?

    I think Criterion not being good long-term content is a great critique, and if these are supposed to be a replacement for something missing I agree they probably missed the mark.
    Everyone has their own pace, yes, and that is good that the game is made in such a way where you are not forced to rush or you'll be "left behind". This is a big plus I enjoy compared to all other MMOs I've played.

    Relics will always have some sort of issue, either too much grind, stale maps or simply none of it at all. This might actually become worse as we're getting more and more jobs with each new expansion, making the gap ever wider.

    The first V&C dungeon I've cleared alone in about 8 hours (because I had free that day). I enjoy the detective work of finding clues and discovering something new, but it was very easy to do.

    And that's it. Whatever I'm doing now, is actually clearing stuff from previous expansions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rehayem View Post
    Everyone has their own pace, yes, and that is good that the game is made in such a way where you are not forced to rush or you'll be "left behind". This is a big plus I enjoy compared to all other MMOs I've played.

    Relics will always have some sort of issue, either too much grind, stale maps or simply none of it at all. This might actually become worse as we're getting more and more jobs with each new expansion, making the gap ever wider.

    The first V&C dungeon I've cleared alone in about 8 hours (because I had free that day). I enjoy the detective work of finding clues and discovering something new, but it was very easy to do.

    And that's it. Whatever I'm doing now, is actually clearing stuff from previous expansions.
    Thanks for the response. My intention wasn't to disagree with you - but I was curious why so many feel the lack of content and what they aren't seeing now that they did before. (Aside from the Relic Grind). Probably because the content I am willing to do or enjoy doing hasn't changed over the years, but I know I'm not everyone haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    Thanks for the response. My intention wasn't to disagree with you - but I was curious why so many feel the lack of content and what they aren't seeing now that they did before. (Aside from the Relic Grind). Probably because the content I am willing to do or enjoy doing hasn't changed over the years, but I know I'm not everyone haha.
    We all have different point of views, different perception on the game. Calling someone else's logic or conclusion "flawed" because they disagree with you is rather incorrect way to continue a simple conversation about a topic, so I'm thankful that you've taken a different approach to understand my particular point of view.
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