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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    This I don't quite understand.
    I simply don't want LotD to be a copy of Enshroud because the two are not the same. I'd rather they made the LotD timer matter by having the state modify our kit in some way.

    The GSK drift should be fixed but it's not gamebreaking and is an annoyance in full uptime scenarios (mostly when fights take longer than 8:30 minutes). If BL's duration is increased to 20s for the DRG, GSK drift will be less of a problem.

    If they can't fix the way it works directly, then I can only see a solution if GSK had no CD but could only be used with two eyes. This has other implications so I won't dwell too much on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    then you start ending up with WWT feeling even less of a rhythmic attack.
    WWT is meant to be a flexible oGCD but it's not in practice, as right now you only have 12.5s at 2.5 GCD to use it and it takes a whole 25s to get two scales. With this change, the threshold to avoid overcapping also moves to 25s, thus allowing for more flexibility. The amount of WWT uses per minute doesn't change in any way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    If there's to be no advantage in holding LotD beyond 3 NAS and STD, just drop it after those skills so we can Geirskogul on time (or at the very least reduce the duration of LotD by a half-second)
    Moving the timer can have consequences when optimizing fights and doing double Life windows back to back, which is why it's probably best not to touch that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    True Thrust and Doom Spike still existing just seems like an opener tax
    The job is already taxed enough in normal encounters by having no opener (and at the same time very good in encounters where you can hold resources, which is also part of its uniqueness despite the fact that it does feel bad to have an opener without your gauges).

    As it's a difference of 50 potency between TT and RT and is mostly an OCD thing of mine since I dislike TT's animation compared to RT's, they should just replace them. Everything works the same, it's just the buff of Draconian Fire granting the scale and not the weaponskills on their own.

    Granting scales with the 5th positional can be good for the opener, but then it can put some WWTs out of buffs in specific burst windows unless the 3 scale solution is implemented.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    having your dragon skills simply buff the nearest party Damage Dealer for the remaining duration on Dragon Sight
    Just remove the partner buff entirely and give the damage to the DRG. I'd personally prefer if the job was less supportive and BL is already one of the strongest buffs due to how much potential damage it can bring to specific compositions, but taking away the DS partner buff would also mean that you don't have to rely that much on having a specific melee to be buffed whereas BL is more equal in how much contribution anyone can provide in it.

    That said, if the tether returned, I'd be happy to keep the ability as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    WWT is meant to be a flexible oGCD but it's not in practice, as right now you only have 12.5s at 2.5 GCD to use it and it takes a whole 25s to get two scales. With this change, the threshold to avoid overcapping also moves to 25s, thus allowing for more flexibility. The amount of WWT uses per minute doesn't change in any way.
    Having 50% of its cap time to be banked is... pretty darn bankable. That's the same as Ninja or Reaper's gauges, for instance, and far superior to the likes of Chakra. I wouldn't hate it being more, but by then you're looking at trying to fit every 3rd into LC, specifically, instead of it being primarily a rhythmic element; it'll have changed the feel and function of that ability (which thus far is our main basis for guessing what its "intent" was).

    Moving the timer can have consequences when optimizing fights and doing double Life windows back to back, which is why it's probably best not to touch that.
    The timer is ultimately still just based on Gierskogul. So now your GSK's are 30s apart, exactly, instead of 30 - 31 seconds apart based on ping, reflex, and speed of button-mashing. No part of allowing DRG to see and therefore queue the GSK timer as soon as they've used up all LotD offers has to remove the NAS ICD.

    The job is already taxed enough in normal encounters by having no opener
    Sorry if my derision as to that "opener tax" wasn't clear enough. I don't think it needs, deserves, or ought to have that penalty. For that reason, I prefer that the scales just come directly from the 5th GCD, rather than the "6th-kinda-turned-1st?" especially if RT and DF became direct upgrades.

    As it's a difference of 50 potency between TT and RT and is mostly an OCD thing of mine since I dislike TT's animation compared to RT's, they should just replace them. Everything works the same, it's just the buff of Draconian Fire granting the scale and not the weaponskills on their own.
    Again, I'd be fine with either. I don't mind TT's and DS's animation, and so though I prefer RT and DF's, I wouldn't mind alternating between them.

    Just remove the partner buff entirely and give the damage to the DRG. I'd personally prefer if the job was less supportive and BL is already one of the strongest buffs due to how much potential damage it can bring to specific compositions, but taking away the DS partner buff would also mean that you don't have to rely that much on having a specific melee to be buffed whereas BL is more equal in how much contribution anyone can provide in it.

    That said, if the tether returned, I'd be happy to keep the ability as is.
    I'd be fine with that, too (though I understand why re-adding garish visual clutter would have any impact on DS's being a good idea or not); I just like the idea of pulling a bit more draconic and strike-leader-esque themes out of DRG where convenient.

    (Thematically, if anything, I'd slightly rather have DS remain over BL, with more of a tag-team aspect, even if that does mean being slightly more dependent specifically on another DPS. That DRG's raidbuff aids even heals while Bard's and Monk's do not, moreover, has always felt weird.)
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