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    DixieBellOCE's Avatar
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    Would people play a 'Spellblade/Mystic Knight' themed DPS Job?

    Something along the lines of the Mystic Knight from FF5 or Beatrix from FFIX.

    A swordsman that imbues their weapons with elemental and non-elemental damage to apply elemental status effects, debuffs and deal damage with iconic Final Fantasy abilities like Climhazzard.

    The Spellblade abilities themselves also increase damage based on Elemental weaknesses inflicted by other abilities.

    1. Hitting an enemy with an ice imbue would cause an ice weakness.
    2. Hitting that Ice Weakness with a Fire imbue would deal extra damage and apply a Water Weakness.
    3. Hitting the Water Weakness with a Lightning ability would Shock the enemy and apply a DoT and make them weak to earth ect ect.

    A simple combo that could be expanded apon with OGCD abilities to instantly apply certain weaknesses at the right time, to deal devastating elemental combo attacks.

    Thoughts?
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    M-Maybe if it had m-my Kaiten I would consider it, mhm
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    I spent years hoping they would add Mystic Knight to the game. Or if not that, Rune Knight. One of the two.
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    We've heard a lot about the Corvosi Unyielding Blade, which seems to fit along these lines. You could use Meliadoul's outfit as inspiration for the Artifact set, especially if it used a Scouting base. The biggest difficulty would be finding a suitable weapon (that is ideally visually distinct), given how many variations of swords we have. I think the three possible variations would be dual wielding, a twinblade, or some sort of transforming weapon like a Fusion Sword or Switch Axe. And who knows, perhaps this is our one hope of seeing Runic in the game.

    I'd expect a caster first, of course.
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    If they hadn't deliberately and consistently removed all the elemental damage/resistance mechanics that used to exist in FFXIV it would be more likely.
    But as things are now? Not very likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    I spent years hoping they would add Mystic Knight to the game. Or if not that, Rune Knight. One of the two.
    Same. I’m really hoping it’s one of the new jobs added in 7.0
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    Depends on the glam...
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    My previous Mystic Knight suggestion, with some updates:
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    A Disciple of Magic who uses one of the three melee DD gear sets could be easily differentiable from RDM by being the opposite of what a RDM is: a mostly melee DD who occasionally casts ranged spells. And even though elemental damage means nothing mechanically, the various elements can still be present in their attacks by providing various effects similar to how BLM doesn't deal elemental damage but the elements have meaningful effects on their job mechanics and rotation. Bonus points if they actually make significant use of the Water element in their action set because nobody else does.

    In terms of Mystic Knight in particular, one idea would be for them to have a normal 1-2-3 melee combo that does pitiable damage until it's imbued with an element via an oGCD. E.g.,
    • Fire Blade - Melee weaponskills deal (1.2x, 1.8x, 2.4x) damage but cost 10% MP per weaponskill (Addendum: As with BLM, native MP refresh drops to 0 while under Fire Blade. Three full Fire Blade combos should use 90% of MP, leaving MKN with 10% MP.)
    • Blizzard Blade - Melee weaponskills deal 1.0x damage but the next three weaponskills restore 20%,30%,50% MP, respectively. (Edit: the next three weaponskills restore MP. Each restores 20% if used out of combo, step 2 combo bonus restores 30% instead and step 3 combo bonus restores 50%. So you get as little as 60% MP back if you screw up your combo.)
    • Thunder Blade - Melee weaponskill chain deals 1.0x damage but apply a DoT to the target. DoT stacks up to three times, maybe.
    • Drain Blade - Melee weaponskills absorb some of the damage dealt as HP, but some use-limiting criteria needs to be set so this can't be kept up for more than one or two combos.

    Then they would be melee DDs whose rotating elements have the MP bar going up and down in a way that feels very familiar to BLM players. And more powerful, build-up-to-these imbuements like (Burst/Flare/Flood) Blade might be Spells or Weaponskills on their own, imbuing the weapon and performing a finishing strike in one action. (Edit: Flare Blade could be a finisher that uses all MP under Fire Blade, expected to consume the last 10% left over after three weaponkill chains.)
    Example rotation (edits necessary to fit into 60s/120s meta):

    [100% MP] (Spellblade: Fire) >

    Fire Blade > Fira Blade > Firaga Blade > Fire Blade > Fira Blade > Firaga Blade > Fire Blade > Fira Blade > Firaga Blade [10%] > Flare Blade [0%] (Spellblade: Ice) >
    Blizzard Blade [20%] > Blizzara Blade [50%] > Blizzaga Blade [100%] (Spellblade: Fire) >

    Fire Blade > Fira Blade > Firaga Blade > Fire Blade > Fira Blade > Firaga Blade > Fire Blade > Fira Blade > Firaga Blade [10%] > Flare Blade [0%] (Spellblade: Ice) >
    Blizzard Blade [20%] > Blizzara Blade [50%] > Blizzaga Blade [100%] (Spellblade: Lightning) >

    Thunder Blade [DoTx1] > Thundara Blade [DoTx2] > Thundaga Blade [DoTx3] (Repeat from Spellblade: Fire)
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    Last edited by Rongway; 05-09-2023 at 03:54 PM.

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    Player SassyAssassin's Avatar
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    No but only because I don’t particularly like close combat D:
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    I imagine you'd be able to get enough people interested in it. The trick is finding a good gear class for it and distinguishing it aesthetically and gameplay-wise from existing jobs (especially, DRK, NIN, SAM and RDM).

    Best guess, though, its being a Mystic Knight could only carry it so far, and you'd likely have to instead incorporate those aspects into a related original job.

    Take, for instance, a Scouting-class with dual scimitars (too many swords already, I know), a Staff, or a Bladestaff (perhaps with a blade on each side).

    Actually, let's go with the last by way of example, and use it as the excuse for differentiating stabs (front blade), slices (back blade), and whirls (both strike), since that'd in turn give reason for a fun unique mechanic like enchanting the front and back blades separately.

    Okay, so we have our silhouette and a core gimmick. But we'd still need to synergetic aesthetics, a place of origin, etc.

    Let's say the job came from... Thavnair, as they've got quick elemental imbuements aplenty, along with good use of magical/artifact weapons, related seals and scripts, and would likely have reason enough to develop a martial art around that.

    Okay, now, how does the Thavnairian aesthetic intersect with Scouting? More than likely light, probably open-chested tunics, loose pants, and/or wraps, etc. It's simultaneously direct but slightly ornate, slightly showy. And if we're to have a Mystic Knight but not make it a Maiming or Fending class, there'd have to be something foreclosing that possibility.

    For instance, lets say that a second aspect of this Scouting "MSK" is that it's a master of distraction, opposite NIN's mastery of stealth, able to offer defensive support opposite NIN's offensive support. It has quick attacks, alternatingly flurries of stabs or whirls of sweeping strikes, has Ice, Fire, and Wind magic, with Lightning and Water being possible by combination (melting Ice for water, and creating imbalances between enemies' heat and then adding wind to create lightning)... Perhaps it's even able to leave an ice-dummy or an ally to lock a targeted mechanic to a particular baited position or to provide allies with a burst of speed via wind magic. Atop this, maybe it has specific wards that it can use to either suppress incoming magic damage or to allow for a deeper combo on an enemy (preventing elements from dissipating or combining for a time, allowing them to stack higher).

    ...From all that, maybe something like a... Dervish?

    That's just one spitball way of routing to something likely able to be sufficiently fleshed out while playing on and amping up old MSK (MYS?)Mystic Knight aspects. But hopefully the example seemed sufficiently fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    MSK might be better reserved for MuSKeteer. MKN Mystic KNight? MYK MYstic Knight? SPB SPellBlade?
    I wasn't advocating for that, or any other, acronym for Mystic Knight or Spellblade; it was just a quick shorthand to as not to use the full name in the last line and therefore make clear that that was NOT the name I was proposing for the final product, for those who'd skip most of the post.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 05-09-2023 at 05:54 PM.

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