Counterpoint to all the Debbie Downers lately...

[Kazhar]

You've cared enough to post twice already.

I know from your many posts that reading comprehension isn't your forte, but I was talking about the claim that "everything is fine for me!". That part, nobody cares.
Yes, I do care about people feeling threatened by negative opinions though, which I why I reply to your post too.

[texas_boy]

Nobody asked, nobody cares.
I don't know what get into the mind of people when they feel threatened by other people's opinions. People disliking the game doesn't invalidate your experience. Some people can be fine with the game while others aren't and both can be correct in their opinion you know?

My friend, if I came across as being 'threatened' that was not my intention. What I'm attempting to do is provide a counterpoint to all of the negative stuff going on in the forums. I'm not saying the game doesn't have issues, I'm saying that the game *is* enjoyable (at least for some) and if one were to simply read the forums the takeaway would be the game is horrible, design is horrible, yadda yadda yadda and that is simply not the case.

The negative feedback not the only feedback of the game. Us folks who actually enjoy it also have opinions. Just voicing mine...

[AwesomeJr44]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but this thread reeks of insecurity.

[Hurlstone]

I kinda feel all social outlets end up being an echo chamber of sort. Its almost human nature haha. I know some have declared this place as the ‘last bastion for criticism’ but it is no different less bias then other places, just the scales of the Traders tip in a different direction. Negativity is always the loudest voice here I personally feel, though some will disagree in regard to this place. Good thing though is that positivity still exists even in the more negative lands. Constructive debate can happen, even when many a bias or troll walking around hidden in suits.

[Renathras]

For those that lurk on the forums and are seeing all the repeated negative downer posts keep in mind it seems that this has turned into an echo chamber for a few of the bad actors who seem to thrive on stirring up drama and seeing what kind of reaction they can get.

The game in reality vs. the game presented here in the forums are not the same game.

I log in 7 days a week, play with my many friends I've made in the FC and have an absolute blast doing so. In my roughly two years here I've never heard ONE person moaning about what you see here on the forums. We have a great time and will continue to do so.

See you in Eorzia!

Hear hear.

You complain about echo chambers but your post is literally about how everything is fine from your own bubble. Not exactly a convincing argument.

Except reading the replies, OP is right.

Nobody asked, nobody cares.
I don't know what get into the mind of people when they feel threatened by other people's opinions. People disliking the game doesn't invalidate your experience. Some people can be fine with the game while others aren't and both can be correct in their opinion you know?

Nobody asked, nobody cares about all the negative threads, either. That doesn't stop a half dozen from being started every single day here, though. Turnabout is fair play. The fact is, there are plenty of people enjoying the game right now.

EDIT:

The real problem is that people that see the currents problems acts as if everything was shit in the game while those who haven't noticed them (it's hard to notice if you're not up to date with the content) act as if there was no problem. Yes, overall the state of the game pretty good, but still EW patch are pretty much disappointing, especially compared to those of ShB. MSQ feels more and more filler, several story line were cut off (even if the content is still technically there), and the lack of a proper long running content during the patch is strongly felt.

This is, I think, closer to the truth.

Not QUITE there, but close: I'm all caught up and still enjoying the game, I've just had to dig deeper than in the past to keep busy and taken a few weeks break since patches are longer now and I don't have a Bozja/Eureka to spend patch downtime/content droughts in. I have found other things to do when playing - my current quest is to complete every sidequest in the game. I have a couple dozen left in EW and I'll be all caught up - but there are other things to do if I really wanted to. Never done an Ultimate, do Savages sparingly, have just completed each Extreme this expansion but didn't farm for the mounts outside of the first two, etc.

Even people up to date with the content can disagree with all the negative posts. It's not I "haven't noticed" issues, it's that many of the "issues" are overblown, and some aren't even issues at all, just preferences of the people that consider them issues (e.g. things that some people dislike other people like; I don't like Island Sanctuary, but that doesn't mean it's an "issue" considering many people do like it and that's a matter of personal preference, not some objective issue with the game itself). The idea that only people who aren't "up to date" can not see the issues is kind of mildly insulting, honestly. Whether intentional on your behalf or not, it does come across like trying to say if people don't see the issues, their position is invalid since they aren't at the point of informed yet where they can understand or know about them. I doubt you intended it that way, though. But I have seen this in other things, like people saying unless you do Ultimates and Savages, you don't get to comment on the game's combat being good/bad, that sort of thing.

In any case, I think the biggest problems are that patches are longer but we don't have anything to really spend the downtime on making progress that's "drop in/drop out" friendly. Bozja/Eureka, love them or hate them, you could pop in solo or with friends, work on, drop out whenever you needed to go eat or go to work/school or whatever. ARR/HW Relic grinds were different, but also things you could work on in bites here and there. And these were all making progress for your character (unless you already had the Savage weapon; even then though, we all know glam is the true endgame). But right now, we don't have that. Tomes are laughably easy to get, especially if you're in a Hunt LS, and Criterion and Deep Dungeon (floors 31+) require premade groups (no DF) and at least a chunk of time commitment, so don't have that "drop in/drop out" that people love. The only thing right now that has that are the DoH/L tool grinds, which are...much more grindy and specifically a Crafter/Gatherer affair that don't appeal to those who aren't into those things - unlike combat weapons, which apply to everyone.

So we're in kind of a weird place of longer patches that also have less to do in general and less to do during the droughts when they're long in the tooth and that also get longer in the tooth now.

...but the idea that anyone who doesn't think the game is in big trouble over that or who doesn't think there are problems is just someone who doesn't know better? That I disagree with. Even given that issue, I'm still finding things to do and still enjoying the game. I do believe the negative naysayers are prone to a lot of hyperbole and misery loving company, even if they have to MAKE said company miserable.

[Absurdity]

But, but, but... Everything *is* fine in my 'bubble'. That's the point.

Which tells you absolutely nothing.

If I went by my own "bubble" then I haven't had any content worth doing for the last 3 months because I finished everything else that I had even a remote interest in, only a single person out of my FC besides me still plays the game, my friend list (of people I mostly met during Stormblood) is pretty much dead and the only content people even still do is old Ultimates.

According to my own bubble it's absolutely not "fine", see how useless taking only your own experience into account is?

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Its pretty much the opposite of bait. Its telling the trolls to get out of their basements and actually interact with normal people.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Its pretty much the opposite of bait. Its telling the trolls to get out of their basements and actually interact with normal people.

I think one day when they are older, those who spend a LOT of time on this will probably regret time spent in that way.

[Theodric]

I think one day when they are older, those who spend a LOT of time on this will probably regret time spent in that way.

We live in an era where technology is literally in the hands of a great many people. It's not exactly difficult or time consuming to compose a forum post or even a series of forum posts.

Perhaps those trying to create strawman arguments about anyone with critical feedback as not leaving their homes would be better served with some self reflection. You're playing a Final Fantasy game, a product with mainstream appeal. Quite a lot of people playing this game regularly leave their homes, have other hobbies and even keep in shape!

The attempts to render any attempt at voicing criticism as a time wasting exercise has always been something conducted in bad faith. Nobody is forcing you to read or even agree with it. Yet this forum's purpose is largely to serve as a place for customers to leave feedback. They're encouraged to do so if they raise an issue in-game.

Whether anyone working for the company actually reads it is another matter altogether, though people have long bonded on forums such as this by discussing the game's perks and/or flaws.

[ZephyrMenodora]

We live in an era where technology is literally in the hands of a great many people. It's not exactly difficult or time consuming to compose a forum post or even a series of forum posts.

Perhaps those trying to create strawman arguments about anyone with critical feedback as not leaving their homes would be better served with some self reflection. You're playing a Final Fantasy game, a product with mainstream appeal. Quite a lot of people playing this game regularly leave their homes, have other hobbies and even keep in shape!

The attempts to render any attempt at voicing criticism as a time wasting exercise has always been something conducted in bad faith. Nobody is forcing you to read or even agree with it. Yet this forum's purpose is largely to serve as a place for customers to leave feedback. They're encouraged to do so if they raise an issue in-game.

Whether anyone working for the company actually reads it is another matter altogether, though people have long bonded on forums such as this by discussing the game's perks and/or flaws.

We are talking about trolls, and we know there are some here. Not those leaving constructive feedback. There is a good percentage of these forums where the OP has no intention of providing any constructive feedback. If someone can dig some feedback out of their behavior, it's secondary to their primary motive: to instigate.