Counterpoint to all the Debbie Downers lately...

[TowaIsBestGirl]

I feel like some forget that the nature of a forum implies the inevitability of dissent, and posters who will have a guaranteed opposing viewpoint to yours. There is no true, surefire way to avoid this and we shouldn't want such anyway. What we ought to aspire towards is courteous conduct, rather than pure assent. It sometimes feels as though some would rather dissent not exist at all, rather than taking offense with precisely what people say and how they say it.

I mean this very thread is titled speaking of all critiques as "Debby Downers". That isn't the way to do it, and it certainly isn't going to make people actually desire to treat you better. You must proffer something of your own, if you wish to receive of the bounty.

[Kazhar]

Wow is this guy still going on about how I shut down OP's opinions?

Please. Like this thread was made in good faith. It's not really hidden either, so any attempt at painting OP as a poor soul who only wished for a drama-free forum experience falls flat.

[NekoMataMata]

Bruh...

What if we just acted like normal human beings, and praised things that deserved praised while criticizing things that earned criticism? We don't need to have some weird agenda going on, we don't need sides, we don't need to sit there accusing people of being bad actors or alts.

Is that too much to ask?

[MagusMirel]

For those that lurk on the forums and are seeing all the repeated negative downer posts keep in mind it seems that this has turned into an echo chamber for a few of the bad actors who seem to thrive on stirring up drama and seeing what kind of reaction they can get.

The game in reality vs. the game presented here in the forums are not the same game.

I log in 7 days a week, play with my many friends I've made in the FC and have an absolute blast doing so. In my roughly two years here I've never heard ONE person moaning about what you see here on the forums. We have a great time and will continue to do so.

See you in Eorzia!

Your Forum Account looks fresh. I suppose you started playing with Shadowbringers? So you missed out a lot to understand the Veterans.
My friends and FC, who are all Veteran players since ARR, have stopped playing FFXIV. We got bored of the recycled content the nerfs and of course the lack of quality content.
It's not the the missing longevity alone, but also the poor effort from SE of creating content lately.
There is basically nothing to do for someone who want's to play this game on a daily basis, because you don't have to invest your time in this game anymore.

This play another game menality is not good for an MMORPG, which is supposed to be a bit grindy to keep the playerbase busy until the next patch arrives.
That's how MMORPG's work to stay alive.

But the design decision from SE are safe and boring. They are catering players who don't actually play this game much, instead of catering the core playerbase which supported them from the start and still want's to enjoy this game to the fullest.

In my case, i feel stabbed in the back.

[Sheriyana]

Your Forum Account looks fresh. I suppose you started playing with Shadowbringers? So you missed out a lot to understand the Veterans.
My friends and FC, who are all Veteran players since ARR, have stopped playing FFXIV. They got bored of the recycled content. The nerfs and of course the lack of quality content.
It's not the the missing longevity alone, but also the poor effort of SE content lately.
There is basically nothing to do for someone who want's to play this game on a daily basis, because you don't have to invest your time in this game anymore.

This play another game menality is not good for an MMORPG, which is supposed to be a bit grindy to keep the playerbase busy until the next patch arrives.
That's how MMORPG's work to stay alive.

But the design decision from SE are safe and boring. They are catering players who don't actually play this game much, instead of catering the core playerbase who supported them from the start and still want's to enjoy this game to the fullest.

In my case, i feel stabbed in the back.

This is an interesting thing to point out. They were so grateful to every 1.0 player who stayed with the game throughout 1.0 and on to ARR, and now it feels like they just don't care about the people who have stayed with the game for 10 years. Now they just want people to play for a day or two every 4 months and play other games in the mean time.

[aveyond-dreams]

This is an interesting thing to point out. They were so grateful to every 1.0 player who stayed with the game throughout 1.0 and on to ARR, and now it feels like they just don't care about the people who have stayed with the game for 10 years. Now they just want people to play for a day or two every 4 months and play other games in the mean time.

Well they'll get their wish, seemingly. All that's left for me this expansion is no more than a few hours of content in 6.4. Then after that unless things take a turn for the better in terms of the abysmal writing we've seen in Endwalker, 7.0 won't be a definite purchase and my FFXIV journey may as well be over.

[Absurdity]

This is an interesting thing to point out. They were so grateful to every 1.0 player who stayed with the game throughout 1.0 and on to ARR, and now it feels like they just don't care about the people who have stayed with the game for 10 years. Now they just want people to play for a day or two every 4 months and play other games in the mean time.

Very simple explanation for that, back then they needed the veterans to survive.

They needed the people who subscribed even at the end of 1.0 to get ARR off the ground in the first place and they needed them to breathe life into 2.0 because they couldn't be sure that they would attract enough new players.


Right now the game is popular enough that every single veteran who leaves is easily replaced with a sprout. Although according to the last Lucky Bancho census the influx of new players is in decline, so I guess we'll see what happens when those new people reach the state where they have completed all the old content they were interested in and only have the new patch content to satisfy them.

[MagusMirel]

Very simple explanation for that, back then they needed the veterans to survive.

They needed the people who subscribed even at the end of 1.0 to get ARR off the ground in the first place and they needed them to breathe life into 2.0 because they couldn't be sure that they would attract enough new players.


Right now the game is popular enough that every single veteran who leaves is easily replaced with a sprout. Although according to the last Lucky Bancho census the influx of new players is in decline, so I guess we'll see what happens when those new people reach the state where they have completed all the old content they were interested in and only have the new patch content to satisfy them.

That's exactly the case. And that's a shame. In the past subscribers were rewarded with glamour outfits or a mount as a thanks for their loyality. But somehow SE gave in to those people who were complaining about that. That's kinda when it all started.
I've supported this game back then with all my heart. I wanted success for FFXIV so badly, because the game deserved it. But SE is all about money and not about loyality. That's why they are catering the new mass, which obviously don't have the needed mindset for an MMORPG and think of FFXIV as an 5 minute per day mobile game which you play while sitting on the toilet. In the end the success of the game killed it for me and many others. But what goes up, must come down. And the higher you raise, the faster you fall. That will be the case when SE doesn't change course in 7.0. Mark my words.

[Teno]

That's exactly the case. And that's a shame. In the past subscribers were rewarded with glamour outfits or a mount as a thanks for their loyality. But somehow SE gave in to those people who were complaining about that. That's kinda when it all started.
I've supported this game back then with all my heart. I wanted success for FFXIV so badly, because the game deserved it. But SE is all about money and not about loyality. That's why they are catering the new mass, which obviously don't have the needed mindset for an MMORPG and think of FFXIV as an 5 minute per day mobile game which you play while sitting on the toilet. In the end the success of the game killed it for me and many others. But what goes up, must come down. And the higher you raise, the faster you fall. That will be the case when SE doesn't change course in 7.0. Mark my words.

The words of literally every expert doomsayer for every expansion, every game for a few decades. Don't worry they're fine for a long while, many other more niche games are still thriving despite much more questionable choices.

[aveyond-dreams]

So be it. I call things as I see them. Whether it's down to our cultural differences or not it was very clear it was an attempt to put down men at the expense of elevating one of the worst female characters in the entire franchise.

"Slay queen!" scenes do not work for me.