Bicolor gems were the perfect solution to the relics

[WantlessYoYo]

Hi, seeing how relics are going to follow the same way of probably 1500 tomes, i wanted to talk how this approach could've been, to the least, more interesting

To begin with, the price would remain midly the same, but again converted to bicolors

Manderville meteorite: 500 tomes> 250 bicolor gems
This would mean to get a full relic it would mean to get a total of 750 bicolor gems, quite the grind it's true but let's enter into that territory shall we?

Fates
The first thought to this system is obvious, fates are a pain in the ass, boring and tedious, but with the system apart from the relic come other benefits people woudn't take in count and i'm going to do this by points

1-What stops people from just spamming one single area?
Shadowbringers along fates introduced a wonderful system, the shared fates, something that will give you rewards dependant on the area you're doing them, this would encourage the community/players to vary the areas they do, offering some variety to those and completing their shared fates logs
As an extra, Endwalker is not the only one who gives you bicolor gems, so we could as well see Shadowbringers areas revived thanks to this.

2-Fates are tedious
Fates when it's a 4-6 people group of course, but relics being on bicolors could've bring fate trains that would've help this process be less tedious and if not more handeable at the least.

3-What if i don't want the relic?
Bicolor gems luckily offer way more things, materials for potions, food, between others, and when maxed an area exclusive items for those housing enthusiast that were too lazy to farm those, now they got an easy way to get them
Want to go beyond?
Once you clear all areas you get access to Bicolor vouchers, something that sells quite while and on the long run gives access to a mount not a long have, if the relics aren't the first of your interest, maybe the possibility of filling your pockets between materials, craftings, and the Bicolor mount will do, again, increasing the ammount of players on the process.

4-Okay sure, cool for this expansion, but what about the long run
Seeing how this system has changed little since SHB to now EW players in the future could repeat the same process with the areas following the future content, bringing the benefits mentioned up here in the post.

That should be everything, of course feedback is appreciated and while of course this wouldn't reach the level of community exploration zones had, it would try it best, or i would like to believe

[Semirhage]

I'd rather pay real life money for a relic than encourage Square to give us Yet More Fate Farming. Fates are a real contender for the nadir of "content". They're serviceable distractions that are just ruined by Square's expectation that we do them hundreds of times.

I'd want them to improve on the Fate system dramatically before they try to just force us to do them even more than they already push it.

[Turnintino]

Agreed with Semirhage. Give us something else to do, sure, but not more FATEs -- not if the goal is to make the grind feel less mind-numbingly boring.

[DiaDeem]

Hello.

- I made a few Zetas when they were current content. This includes OG DROP RATE ATMAs and "Wait-for-over-an-hour-for-your-FATE-oops-someone-else-killed-it" FATEs for Animus Books.
- I didn't make all Zetas, so I ran FATEs to start some of my HW weapons.
- I farmed 1080 Heavensward Mandatory FATEs for all ShB Relics.
- I farmed more FATEs in Othard and Gyr Abania for another ShB Relic Step.

I know many are disappointed with what the Manderville Weapons are turning out to be, and I get it, but...

F*CK FATE FARMING

I'd rather farm Light in the YoRHa raids or run all ShB dungeons 10 times over before you can convince me to FATE farm again, and anyone who thinks FATEs are not that bad should be forced to get all 12 ATMAs on OG drop rates. See if you wanna do any more after that.

That is all.

[TheMightyMollusk]

So instead of grinding tomes, we'd grind fates. Seems like a lateral move.

[Avoidy]

The only upside to this is there would be people out in the overworld again. But since FATE farming is pretty boring, most people aren't happy to be doing that.
Ultimately there's just not a big incentive for people to get out into the open world that this game offers. That's a pretty big problem for an MMO, but here we are. Please enjoy waiting in your city hub until it's time to queue into an instance.

[Saraide]

Fate farming is more boring than roulettes imo. Literal bottom of the barrel content.

[Absurdity]

Fate farming is more boring than roulettes imo. Literal bottom of the barrel content.

They could make you do Leve Quests, the other piece of content that has received 0 updates to it's formula since 2.0

[kaynide]

Fates wouldn't be so bad if they were actually interesting or led to something worthwhile (a la Guildwars 2). It's not that they are spectacular content there either, but that each individual "FATE" has at least 2-3 ways of getting completion... It is wild how much that alone makes their version of fates less awful.

...That said, they really should allow options for the "tomestones" step; could be tomes, could be bicolors, could be the raid coins, heck even allow some number of savage totems.

[Saraide]

They could make you do Leve Quests, the other piece of content that has received 0 updates to it's formula since 2.0

Alright you got me, battle leves would be worse.